I made my dad some vegan chili and he ate like 3 bowl, afterwards I mentioned it was vegan beef and he acted like I just served him a turd, I believe the word assault was tossed around. Conservative reactions to just eating vegetables is weird.
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The association between meat and masculinity has been a Western trope since the renaissance era. Just one of those cultural quirks that's persisted to present day.
More of a jab at poor families.
Is this what poor families eat??? Where I'm from poor families eat rice, beans, vegetables... This stuff is expensive.
Usually high sodium, no nutrient food is the cheapest.
It's the fastest to prepare. But by unit weight, it's also incredibly expensive.
Most people only see the price tag, not unit price.
That's why most EU countries mandated price per KG on the supermarket labels.
The unit price wouldn't even be that useful here. You need to look at price per nutritional value and satiety. We do not currently have a way to quantify the latter.
If it was off brand it would be really cheap and you know your kids will eat it. Also its EASY. At the end of a long day getting shit on by everyone, sometimes making rice and beans just takes too long and us too much effort.
Working a 10 hour day, add an hour for commute and dropping the kiddo off/picking up from daycare, add in anything else that needs to be taken care of immediately like a surprise run to the store because the kiddo came back with a fever and snotty nose and you're not sure if there's enough kids cold medicine to last the next few days, the kiddo won't eat rice and beans (jesus I have a hard time getting that down as a "meal" no matter how you dress it up, it gets old after a while)
... Some chicken nuggets and fruit don't seem so bad because the kid will eat. I'll eat something else but I'd rather the kid eat instead of refusing what's offered. No amount of telling a 3 year old that it's healthy, won't kill you, and you have to eat it will get them to suffer though something they don't want
I'd do crock pot recipes so they'd be ready when we got home but no guarantee the kiddo will like it. Leftovers got frozen and I'd eat them at school/work. But you can't put rice in at the same time as beans because the rice turns to mush...
This isn't directed at you, but yeah after a really long day it's a bit too much effort
tbf, the system is so fucked up, healthy food should be cheap, vegan diets are literally cheaper. but food deserts, and not having time to cook is a massive punishment.
Bulk beans and rice are the OG poor person food.
Canned soda, cold cuts, and single serving boxed pasta are horribly expensive by comparison.
Anyone who actually had to live cheap would know that. But for some reason "eating like shit" is always conflated with "being poor". As though rich kids don't regularly get stuffed full of quick cook crap by parents too busy working late or traveling long distances to cook proper meals
Poor people are unfortunately disproportionately targeted by junk food. Food deserts are a real thing in rural or poorer areas. Bulk rice and beans are accessible, but most poor families in America don't seem to realize this.
I've known many people and families that are convinced that this is the only way to eat. My partner's friend is very ill/malnourished because he doesn't realize he can eat cheaply outside of the food from the gas station he works at. I've also known many that don't cook for themselves at all and order out every day multiple times - regardless of income level. My aunt had severe GI problems and balked at me when I suggested an elimination diet to her after months of her going to doctors with no relief (because it'd require her to cook).
I feel this is a failing of our education and healthcare system. Ensuring that people know how to nourish their bodies is fairly basic stuff.
Poor people are unfortunately disproportionately targeted by junk food.
Lower middle class people are targeted for their disposable income. Actual poor people are living in food deserts and other economic wastelands, where getting their hands on anything costs time as much as money.
I’ve also known many that don’t cook for themselves at all and order out every day multiple times - regardless of income level.
Right. But that's just it. Fast food exists to get middle and upper class people back to work sooner. You'll eat as much fried chicken and burger as a Silicon Valley Techbro or Real Estate magnet as any dock worker or medical assistant.
Ensuring that people know how to nourish their bodies is fairly basic stuff.
It's what we have historically taught as far back as elementary school in more developed school districts.
But even they aren't safe under the current regime
Lower middle class people are targeted for their disposable income. Actual poor people are living in food deserts and other economic wastelands, where getting their hands on anything costs time as much as money.
I've lived in a food desert for most of my childhood and generally very poorly my entire life and have known many other disadvantaged individuals. If the only game in town are convenience stores, gas stations, and small grocery stores - people eat what they stock; which is usually complete garbage. These places also generally accept food stamps - you don't need disposable income to eat junk food. Even food banks are mostly full of shit (if there is even one accessible).
Your notion that there is a middle class is where I'll stop directly engaging. There is an upper class and a lower class in America. Lower class individuals don't spend disposable income feeding themselves, they spend their income.
Doctors don't generally teach nutrition to patients and neither do schools in any practical way.
How much can a banana cost, $10?
Also, poor people have a conglomeration of health issues while working multiple jobs. You're not going to be eating a quick apple or salad with bad or no teeth, hey! Simple "healthy" options are laden with added salts, sugars, certain ethnicities are naturally lactose intolerant in addition to their bodies simply being resistant to storing calcium. There's simply not time to work, shop, and cook, assuming you have the means to do so, and then there are whole families spending a lot for extended stay hotels because they don't have credit or rental references, and rooms with kitchenette are significantly more expensive.
As though rich kids don't regularly get stuffed full of quick cook crap by parents too busy working late or traveling long distances to cook proper meals
No, rich kids have a cook, nanny, au pair, etc that cooks them meals. If the parents can't afford a person to cook for their kids, then they're upper middle class at best.
rich kids have a cook, nanny, au pair, etc
You're running on a very rarified understanding of "rich" and "poor"
There are other constraints. No stove or hotplate, but someone donated a microwave or immersion idk it's called but boils water. There have been times when if a neighbor hadn't allowed me to come over and cook my meals to carry home, I would've lived on potato chips. Slumlords are real.
Bulk beans and rice are the OG poor person food.
I've been unemployed for almost a year now and rice and beans is the shit. Twenty pounds of rice for $10, canned beans for like $1/each, and some spices, and I'm good to go for a while. I do splurge on vegetables and fruit when they're on sale though.
I grew up I'm a well off middle class neighbourhood, this is what the families ate and fed their kids, except for our house and the Indian family a few houses down.
I used to like sleeping over a friends house because we got to eat count chocula for breakfast with chocolate milk on it, instead of shredded wheat.
Shredded wheat isn't exactly nutritious.
Its just wheat, not the frosted stuff
It's more nutritious than I though, but I don't know if it's enriched or not.
Not sure. Plus you add milk for other protein / fat source. Not that it was our only breakfast, we often had full English on weekends.
I love full English.
The two wrongs make a right starter pack.
Kraft Mac and cheese is already laco-vegetarian and barely cheese...
But they have a fully plant based option:
You should add Oreos too! Nice vegan kid favorite
The sodas are already vegan!
The soda is vegan tho
Nobody needs to force their kids to eat these foods, it's more of a battle to stop them from knowing how great they are for as long as possible
would absolutely go to bat for KD, that, ground beef and some mixed frozen veggies is what I live on while working on minimum wage
...in the late 70s it was known cross-Canada as "Vancouver steak."
TUBES has to be some dystopian scifi shit somebody wrote about, fr fr.
Is that not gogurt?
It need not be dystopian; food in a tube is a staple of space travel
Where's the Sunny D?
You know the stuff that might contain actual orange juice .... or even water.
And bromated vegtable oil
I refuse to eat animals because I don't come from a Jewish family. Elohim promised all the animals to Abraham and his descendants, but I don't know if I'm descended from Abraham, and I'm not risking it. The only meat I eat is the flesh of Jesus Christ.