this post was submitted on 01 Oct 2025
494 points (98.6% liked)

Today I Learned

25276 readers
11 users here now

What did you learn today? Share it with us!

We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)

Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.

** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**

Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.

Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.

Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.

Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.

Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.

Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.

Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.

Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.

Partnered Communities

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Rooki@lemmy.world
_MoveSwiftly@lemmy.world
Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world
DriftingDeep@lemmy.world
ericisshort@lemmy.world
Decoy321@lemmy.world
494
TIL in the 2010 Gaza Freedom Flotilla nine activists were killed by Israeli forces. (en.wikipedia.org)
submitted 2 weeks ago by brachiosaurus@mander.xyz to c/til@lemmy.world
36 comments fedilink hide all child comments
top 36 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 80 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The Global Sumud Flotilla has now entered what they refer to as the danger zone outside the coast of Egypt, north of Suez. You can and should follow them live on their website. @Vegard@fribygda.no is the only person I'm aware of posting directly to the Fediverse from the first wave, but an unofficial channel is keeping us posted over at @globalsumudflotilla@mastodon.bida.im .

Rising public awareness about the flotilla puts pressure on governments to ensure their safety and to react if Israel infringes on their rights to sail in international waters and to open a humanitarian corridor. Anything we do to spread the word helps build pressure - this is one of the few times sharing stuff in social media is actually directly helpful. And unlike a lot of content from Gaza it can be a hopeful rather than (only) depressing message.

The next wave of the flotilla—Thousand Madleens to Gaza—is currently passing by the south of Greece. You can follow the French delegation at @1kmadleenfr@mastodon.social and the the Danish delegation at @thousandmadleensdenmark@radikal.social .

In other news I just re-watched Dunkirk yesterday. It's a powerful story about what a flotilla of civilian ships can be capable of.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess there’s no way to follow them from a Lemmy instance?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I guess these links are not all that useful to most people here unless they also have Mastodon accounts or something. I like to try to link other parts of the Fediverse when relevant, but I guess it's really limited how useful it is.

I saw Rimu post something about working more towards mastodon integration in Piefed at some point, and for Mbin users at least it makes sense.

[–] WhatThaFudge@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was just watching the tracker.. saw 3 ships got intercepted.. went for a walk and now website is not working? (redirects somewhere else)

Edit now it just says not found instead of asking for some login on some hosting site

Edit again came back up

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nine ships intercepted as of 0:33. Apparently the israelis are shooting with water cannons to try to deter the others from continuing, hopefully they lack the capacity to board all the remaining ships before dawn. 33 ships remain on their way to Gaza, one of which (the Marinette) is significantly behind the others.

[–] r0m2@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On 23 May 2014, a tenth member of the flotilla died in hospital after being in a coma for four years

Source

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Five had gunshot wounds to the head and at least four were shot from both back and front. According to the UNHRC report, six of the people on the flotilla showed signs of 'summary execution,', including two shot after they were severely injured."

Additional source. Standard practice for the IOF.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It feels like people are consciously posting stuff to make us prepare for Israel attacking the Global Sumud Flotilla and killing the people on it. Just today I've seen posts like "live streams of Greta Thunbergs flotilla", "Israel sends warship to intercept Greta Thunberg’s Gaza flotilla", "Greta Thunberg’s ‘Freedom Flotilla’ Directly Linked To Hamas, Israel Says" and now this post. It all feels very directed to that being the outcome.

I really hope that doesn't happen, but it sadly wouldn't be a surprise. Fuck Israel and every single person who has in any way helped them with all this.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's an active campaign to raise awareness and demand safe passage. The more we talk about them the less likely Israel is to get away with intercepting. So we talk about them as much as we can now that they are well within reach of Israeli state terrorism.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The less likely Israel is to murder them.

There is no way Israel will allow them into Gaza.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Well, it's not unlikely, but Israel are reluctant to kill European whites because there's a slight chance European leaders would actually care. So they stress how Greta Thunberg is doing great in their fascist news flashes. Meanwhile thousands are starving - they are murdering them all by refusing aid from entering. Each boat intercepted is murder.

[–] hexdream@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

"Most moral army"...

[–] milliams@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Obviously this blue part here is the land...

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Here’s a video of what happened back then.

  1. The ship was boarded by Israeli soldiers rappelling down ropes from a helicopter. They were armed with paintball guns.
  2. A number of Islamist activists attack the soldiers with metal poles, knives, and other improvised weapons. Several Israeli soldiers are injured, one thrown down to the next level.
  3. Second wave of soldiers comes in with guns. Nobody on board that was peaceful got killed.
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

You're allowed to fight back against pirates

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If israel has the right to defend themself from terrorists, these people had the right to defend themself from pirates.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Blockade Running is a hostile act. Intercepting a blockade runner is not piracy.

Piracy means stealing the cargo, the ships, and holding the crew and passengers for ransom. Israel did nothing of these. The ships were returned, the prisoners released, the aid cargo was delivered by truck to Gaza.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

What you are referring to as an hostile act is the attempt to deliver aid to innocent people being murdered and starved by corrupted fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

The ships were returned, the prisoners released, the aid cargo was delivered by truck to Gaza.

Israel forces attacked the flotilla on multiple occasions and damaged some of the ships. Some of the "prisoners" are still in jail, there are reports of human rights violations, harassment and humiliation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-aid-flotilla-activists-b2839851.html

I really hope the aid cargo was delivered to gaza but i'm afraid it's sitting in a distribution center with the all the rest

[–] sadfitzy@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Are nations allowed to set up blockades outside of their EEZ?

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A blockade can be enforced in international waters. A ship that’s heading straight towards territorial waters and doesn’t change course when hailed, can be intercepted before it enters.

If you want to actually learn about this, start reading here.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/use-of-force-against-neutral-ships-outside-territorial-waters/56CF204865927A59302B21DCB66D9428

The International Law Association’s Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality (1998) regulate the same question in Paragraph 5.1.2, which largely overlaps with the provisions of the San Remo Manual. Subparagraph 3 allows attacking of neutral ships that ‘are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion’.

The San Remo Manual and the Helsinki Principles both contain provisions that permit the use of force against neutral ships that are ‘believed on reasonable grounds to be … breaching a blockade’. Blockades are ‘a belligerent operation to prevent vessels and/or aircraft of all nations … from entering or exiting specified ports, airports, or coastal areas belonging to, occupied by, or under the control of an enemy nation’.Footnote 18 Blockades are indiscriminate, in that they must be ‘enforced against every vessel of every nation’

EEZ is not the same as territorial waters.