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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No, it wouldn't. Gotham is thoroughly corrupt and the money would never have been used to do anything good.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 127 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Men will LITERALLY construct an entire persona based around their phobias as a result of trauma over witnessing the murder of their parents during a mugging orchestrated by crime bosses and spend millions of dollars on toys and gadgets to act out revenge fantasies and calling it vigilante justice rather than go to therapy.

[–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Bruce Wayne goes to therapy, not Batman, it's different (canonically).

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

So uh … his therapist must suck for not treating that borderline Personality Disorder and uncovering his dissociative identity disorder

Given that the most successful therapists in Gotham are people like Dr. Harleen Quinzel, I'm not confident they can overlook their own issues.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Batman IS the primary personality and he's never gone to therapy, so theres really nothing the Therapist can do about it at that point.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

No it's fine, Batman is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the fake and that's why he needs therapy.

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago

I remember in some of the animated series that he would go to therapy but was not open and putting up his playboy billionaire persona. Honestly it seemed like a waste of a time for him if he wasn't being honest, unless it was to keep up appearances. Closest I think he gets to actual therapy is talking to Alfred.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 46 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I haven't even read Batman, but I've seen this same thread pop up enough times to know that:

  1. Gotham is literally cursed

  2. Gotham is extremely corrupt. Tax money wouldn't go where it needs to

  3. Bruce Wayne bankrolls tons of social programs

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's cursed because comic writers couldn't come up with a better way to explain why the city can't be fixed by the world's smartest billionaire.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The city can't be fixed because then there wouldn't be any more stories for them to write.

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[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 71 points 4 days ago (8 children)

This thread is full of people who have never read Batman comics.

Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.

Batman is effectively sisyphus in that regard.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Lmao, im gonna leave it.

Gothman is a meme in my friend group. He is effectively sad batman, a regular goth guy, and a visigoth all at the same time or which he ever needs to be at the time.

He may not be the meme we deserve, but he is the one that we need to burn Rome.

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[–] person___man@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Not only that, most fully realized versions of the character channel both the vigilante AND playboy personas to fight crime, using Wayne Enterprises to create welfare programs and jobs so Gothamites need not resort to crime to put food on the table.

There’s a scene where Batman pacifies a room of Black Mask goons without lifting a FINGER - he hacks the projector screen simply shows them a Wayne Foundation advertisement for better, safer jobs. One by one, every man simply drops their weapons and walks out the door as their crime boss irately yells at them to come back.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

That's worse. You see how that's worse, right?

The entire premise of this accursed property is "structural change is definitionally impossible and evil-natured people cannot be helped so let's see how Batman brutally maims victims of this system to defeat the villain-of-the-day". This is such a profoundly repulsive ideology to me. It's not about the in-universe justifications, it's about the horrible, awful, despicable themes of the stories that glorify hyper-individualism and completely discredit democracy, civic institutions, and community.

The in-universe explanations were just tacked on to those core reactionary ideals. The writers didn't stumble on a cursed city, they invented a cursed city to justify their need for vigilantism and violence to be the only rational answers to society's ills.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

"Gotham is so corrupt all the money would be wasted."

That's fine. Wealth inequality on that scale is evil and corrosive to society. It would be better to do something productive with it, but setting the money on fire would still be better than letting billionaires like Wayne hoard it.

The joker was totally based with his cash pyre in Dark Knight.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (8 children)

isn't a big part of the whole setup that this would not help much? like Gotham is just too corrupt, whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they're mostly just stolen from.

Wayne is a philanthropist who gives a ton of money back through his own programs, right? presumably better overseen than the government ones.

I don't know how much money of Wayne's is actually used for philanthropy, but he can't just give the city all his wealth because it's too corrupt for it to be used well, right?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they’re mostly just stolen from.

I'm reminded of the time Walgreens reported they were raising prices and closing stores because of rampant crime, but later admitted they made it the fuck up.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago
[–] MBM 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I should stop coming to these threads. At the end of the day, Batman is rich by day and personally fights crime at night. Everything else is just added on to make that premise work. It feels like a bit of a Thermian argument ("she's naked because she breathes through her skin")

Edit: there's also something interesting to say about why "comic book" means "superheroes" in the US but "Donald Duck/Tintin/Astérix" in Western Europe

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

True. That is indeed very interesting. Although not limited to comic books. You can spot a similar pattern in movies too. Somehow, in America, the films to become the most popular (or most successful) mostly featured themes portraying powerful people in a positive light, directly or indirectly. While in Europe this trend never really took root.

In a classic, underdeveloped autocracy, the answer would surely be blatant censorship and prosecution of authors portraying different views. However, the American mechanisms for accomplishing the same goals are considerably more complex and intricate. That is, assuming there was or still is such a mechanism, as I'm not sure we can say that definitely. Perhaps it was all just a natural process of people preferring the easier, more convenient narratives?

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 3 points 3 days ago

It's the neoliberal tale of individual responsibility. It translate too well into power worship.

[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 days ago (7 children)

We are assuming that somehow if Wayn pays large sums of wealth to the government, the government wouldn't just be their usual wasteful, corrupt, self serving self with said money. You get every current billionaire in the USA to pay a fair tax. Where do you think the money goes? Funding for food stamps or Lockeed-Martin?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also in the DC universe, the equivalent of Lockeed-Martin is Wayne Enterprises. There's stories where Bruce is conflicted in making weapons, but nonetheless, his fortune is built on the military industrial complex.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So Bruce Wayne is somehow worse than freaking Tony Stark?

Then again Stark is an inventor and comics-level genius who lacks a secret identity, so pivoting to another industry was way easier for him. Bruce Wayne probably can't change his company too much without losing a ton of pull and drawing unwanted attention to himself, plus losing access to the gadgets he relies on.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Didn't Stark divest from weapons manufacturing to researching clean energy instead, after he got hit by that one bomb of his?

I haven't read the comics, just what I remember from the movies

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's why I said worse than Stark. He pivoted away from supporting the Military-Industrial Complex when he realized it was hurting people, whereas Batman hasn't.

It's just odd since Batman is supposed to have ironclad ethics, whereas Iron Man is famously a hypocritical ass (though much less so in the MCU than in the comics, from what I've heard).

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago

Underfunding the government through tax cuts makes corruption more likely. The richer the rich are, the easier it is to manipulate the government for them. Why do you think so much money goes to Lockheed Martin? Who gets government contracts isn’t chosen at random, there are moneyed interests involved.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

‘Wayne foundation’

It doesn’t look like a lot of people even read the comic books before forming these opinions about his storyline.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 14 points 4 days ago

Gotham city has a prison that is corrupt like hell. The joker stays in it just for fun. He seems to be able to leave at any time.

Next Gotham city has a crime spawner. For no reason at all crimes seem to happen.

Badman should first fight the corrupt officials and raise a new administration for the city before he fights the low criminals.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Oh you're saying we should tax wealth, and we should not tax work.

For a second I thought you were saying "taxing wealth does not work" like a tribal. Few word sometimes do trick.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In the Batman Year 1 comic the thing that makes the police believe there really is a 'Bat-Man' is when he attacks a fancy dinner party and warns Gotham's movers and shakers that justice is coming for them, too.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's pretty clear Gotham was full of corruption from top to bottom, which pushed him into becoming Batman. Philanthropy would just fuel the corrupt politicians into funneling money to the crime bosses, and taking a cut. Probably if he started a soup kitchen and was on the ground getting people out of poverty, he would achieve improvement, but when the police, courts, and politicians are on the crime bosses payrolls, funding those institutions more will not solve Gotham's problems

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I vaguely remember some stories, he does do the whole non-profit thing, too. It's still a little bit too pro-billionaire but yeah, in their setting it's quite likely the government is too corrupt.

Also he fucking funds other superheroes, so it's a little hard to say what actually works in that crazy universe. I can't imagine superheroing to be profitable.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Gotham is extremely corrupt, from the police departments being riddled with officers on any of the several mob payrolls. Same for the politicians. Feeding more tax dollars into that won't mean that money is going to the poor people who would benefit from it

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Gotham is so corrupt that it would make Russia blush. If you taxed Bruce Wayne at 99%, nothing would change except the cops would all suspiciously have new supercars.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well. Part of batman mythos is that no amount of money is enough to save the city from itself.

I don't think this person ever read batman.

[–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This person is arguing for higher taxation of the wealthy in the real world, not necessarily engaging in detailed analysis of the fictional world of Batman

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Here is a short list of shit going on in Gotham at any given time, not including the wide array of psychopaths and supervillains doing shit at any given time:

  1. The insane asylum with the portal to hell (Depending on if you consider Living Hell canon or not.)
  2. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  3. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.
  4. The remnants of the evil warlock who was sealed under the city for centuries.
  5. The massive mafia presence and general corruption.
  6. The Illuminati that uses zombie soldiers.

That is not shit proper taxation is going to resolve. You can't protected bike lane away the zombie controlling Illuminati.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)
  1. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  2. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.

Fixing contaminants to the water supply is absolutely something proper taxes should be able to solve.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

What bugs me is this is a controversial opinion about Batman. That there's still objection to the notion that Batman is fulfilling his own violent jollies in the color of seeking justice, rather than using his massive fortunes to serve good.

I think my most controversial Batman opinion is that his code vs. killing is bunk. Even if he just punches goons, he does so enough that goons would die often enough to give Batman a substantial body count. I'm sure his press crew and legal team are occupied continuously with the task of cleaning up his messes.

In fact, there's not enough dramatic crime (like bank heists, contrast domestic violence or check-cashing fraud, which not even regular police care much about) to support a superhero career¹

Curiously, Batman could make a career going after elite deviance / white collar crime, going after the Sacklers for pushing opioids and starting the current opioid crisis, going after companies that lobby governments to deregulate so they can pollute or push false products (e.g. cars as opposed to public transit; ETA A new video popped up about the wellness industry that pushes mostly pure quackery, and has captured the HHS, so we're in a bit of a need of this kind of vig.); Or the DeVos family who use MLMs and PMCs to make their millions; Or the private equity companies like Bain Capital and Blackrock who get rich by creating massive bankruptcy sinkholes leveraging the brand reputations of aging companies and foreclosing commodities for their own personal gain. If Wayne wanted to go after the very sorts of things he, his company and his parents did / do to amass their fortunes, he could prevent a lot of cost, destruction and loss of life by orders of magnitude more than all the petty crime put together.

Funny DC doesn't want to do that, though. Maybe Detective Comics is just state and law enforcement propaganda and they like it that way.

  1. ( ¹ ) Batman is not just a mountain of a man and master martial artist, but also has the academic capacity of several doctorates, assuming he -- and not a secret task force of backup investigators -- does all his detective-work and implements all his backup plans. Personally, I like the idea of Batman as a sophisticated justice and detective agency.
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (12 children)

It's a controversial opinion because it's ill-informed. Bruce Wayne does give the majority of his money to charity. Even Superman, the goodest person on earth, looks up to him. But no amount of funding food banks or building low-income housing is going to uncurse the cursed land that Gotham is built on

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