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Democrats refuse to fold over shutdown as Republican outrage builds (www.theguardian.com)

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Party sticks to its guns on healthcare and says it’s willing to hold out – much to the delight of its progressive supporters

When he sat down to talk about the US government shutdown with reporters from a closely read political newsletter this week, Chuck Schumer sounded as if he was relishing his standoff with the Republicans.

“Every day gets better for us,” he told Punchbowl News. As the shutdown got under way, Schumer explained, the Republican part believed that Democrats would quickly fold and vote to reopen the government, but instead they had stuck to their guns for a week and a half, demanding an array of concessions on healthcare and other issues.

Outrage followed from Republicans, who printed out the Senate minority leader’s remark on posters and condemned it before press conferences. The shutdown has prompted federal agencies to close or curtail operations nationwide, and forced hundreds of thousands of employees to stay home without immediate pay. Schumer, Republicans argued, was being callous.

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 68 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When assessing the bias of an article, look at how it ascribes all of the agency to one party.

Chuck Schumer sounded as if he were relishing his standoff with the Republicans

What Chuck Schumer is doing right now, it’s sickening.”

Democrats are maximizing the leverage they have

Outrage followed from Republicans, who printed out the Senate minority leader’s remark on posters and condemned it

the White House took it upon itself to increase the misery for government employees when Russ Vought, the director of the office of management and budget, began following through on his threat to carry out layoffs.

Notice how Republicans never simply do anything? The one action this article ascribes to Republicans is "following through on his threat".

Republican layoffs are deep inside a complicated sentence, well beneath the fold. But the HEADLINE, is...that the minority party refuses to vote for a bill they didn't get any input into. The fact they weren't allowed any input is unmentioned in the article.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"What Chuck Schumer is doing right now, it’s sickening."

Who was it that called a recess early and hasn't backed down on ACA subsidies?

I must have Mike confused with Chuck.

[–] nibble4bits@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago

The Speaker of the House has the power to keep everyone in session for as long as it takes to pass anything. Instead of voting over and over until anything passes, he's sent them away. The Democrats COULDN'T vote to pass right now, because only Mike Johnson can call them in to vote.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So the Republicans control all three branches of government, including both houses of Congress, and it's the Democrats' fault that they can't pass a budget?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm not American and I dont understand this part.

What do they need the democrats to do in order to pass the budget?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Just a normal majority is not sufficient for the budget - for this, they need 60%.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They need 60 votes and not a simple majority so they need some Democrats to approve the vote

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

That's a Senate rule, which they could change with simple majority if they chose to.

So no, it's entirely on the Republicans.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Yours jingle? I must've missed out on the upgrade at the snip. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 33 points 6 days ago

I am pleasantly surprised that they didn't fold. Hopefully they keep it up.

[–] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Democrats refuse to fold

check the temperature in hell.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Cold.... REALLY cold

[–] GEESELICHIC@lemmy.zip 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The dems need to stick to their guns on this.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It'd be more in character for them to stick to their water pistols.

[–] klammeraffe@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 days ago

Pool noodles.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago

Keep at it, don't barge. This is the biggest move they've done in this term, and I want them to stay strong.

I want them to win.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

GOP cut billionaire tax and now say they can't afford healthcare and shut government over it. Dems just watching and owe nothing.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Just for clarity, if every single R votes yes and every D voted no, would the budget pass? Of does it require a larger majority that the GOP doesn't have?

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The GOP has 53 senators. Under current Senate procedural rules, they need 60 votes to pass a budget.

Having said that, they only need 50 votes to change Senate procedural rules. However, for reasons I do not comprehend, Senators from both bodies have been surprisingly resistant to the idea of removing or adding exemptions to the 60 vote requirement.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Because simple majority would swing back the other way in no time and there would be little the current majority party could do. Every two years it’s likely to change these days

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They could also use Reconciliation, I think. That would just require 50.

[–] ExtraPartsLeft@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They can can only do that once per type of budget bill, per year. And since they can't stand not getting what they want, they obviously had to use it the first chance they got.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

They can can only do that once per type of budget bill, per year

Another Senate rule that could be changed by a simple majority.

The reason the government is shut down is because the Republicans want it that way. All their squawking is just blame-shifting.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Because the requirement for a supermajority means nothing gets done. The Senate is there to ensure that intertia rules.

[–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Obviously it requires a larger majority, otherwise they wouldn't be in this situation. I think it requires 60%

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say "obviously" because I wouldn't put it past the GOP to just have some refuse to vote along just to blame their opponents for the fallout, especially when they wanted that fallout in the first place.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The majority on this vote is also not the whole story. A reason that R needs a larger majority is because of the filibuster rules allowing D to block the vote. R currently has enough power to remover the filibuster rules and force a vote they can win on majority. But both parties rely on filibuster for decades to block legislation without having to justify their reasons.

https://govfacts.org/analysis/why-the-minority-party-can-force-a-government-shutdown/

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

TL;DR the role of the Senate is to prevent democracy.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 4 points 6 days ago

"You mean... We dont have to do anything, and people are supportive about it? Wow!" -Democrats, probably.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to keep holding fast, but I just think its funny.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

yes. YES!

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