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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (18 children)

I don't think it's a bubble, first there is absolutely zero comparison to the housing bubble, which was a financial problem that caused housing prices to inflate, while the inherent value of housing stayed the same. This alleged AI bubble is mostly driven by companies that have lots of money, so it is not credit based, and there are underlying products that actually have increasing value.

The better comparison would be the dot com bubble, which was dominated by companies that didn't even have a product and didn't make any money. The frenzy is similar, but the fundamentals are different.

AI investments may cool down because obviously there is a frantic race in an attempt to get ahead.
But the reason I don't think the AI bubble will burst is because it is driven by companies that actually make money.
They may lose money investing too heavily in this, but the most companies investing in this can afford it.

I think the most AI bubbly company isn't even in the diagram, because that is Tesla. Tesla might actually go down, because Musk is insane.

But in general if it is a bubble, it is a very very long one, Nvidia value has been exploding since 2016 based on their AI product dominance. If this is a bubble, I think it will go down in history as the longest living bubble ever.

Is the market frantic? Yes absolutely.
Is the value of some AI companies extremely high? Yes absolutely.
Is it a bubble that will burst? No if it's a bubble, this one will be more like deflating to a less frantic level, because ALL the main players have the money to weather losses.
And the main AI companies have actual products that make money for them rolled out already. So it is not like the dot com bubble.

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (4 children)

NVIDIA really out here selling shovels in the gold Rush

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They made gpus long before the gold rush and will not stop after. The usefulness of tensor cores will not dwindle with any market correction. Even before ai boom they were valued astronomically out of reality. Not a single stock is tied to actual selling or owning of anything anymore

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[–] llama@lemmy.zip 55 points 1 day ago (24 children)

If Lemmy is supposed to be the place where the most tech savvy people in the interest congregate, and everyone in the comments is unsatisfied with AI then we really do have a problem. These companies have all reached a point where they no longer listen to their most informed customer base but instead take 100% of direction from investors who don't even know what they want except a line going up.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

Investments and income have been divorced from reality for a while now, bud.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Unpopular opinion but this will not as bad as housing bubble and we're way past bubbles actually popping in contemporary economy. Even China corrected for its massive ghost city housing bubble just recently and that was actually worse than ai tech overvaluation.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've been saying the same thing.

The 2008 housing bubble was predicated on cheap lending. It was all debt. It was massive amounts of toxic debt sold around Wall Street, like using Trump Coin or counterfeit cash used to buy a house.

The vast majority of what's happening here is not debt. Sure, some, but very little. Even the OpenAI AMD stock swap thing is swapping a gamble on stocks worth real money, not debt.

IMO the first sub-bubble to pop will be all the time and effort wasted on "Startups" that are nothing more than a couple people acting as a wrapper for an AI agent. That's not really going to impact the economy too much on its face, but suddenly a lot of people are going to go from being "entrepreneurs" to being truly unemployed.

Edit: Also, just saw this gem, and THIS is how you get a supercharged 2008 repeat, bank deregulation and $2.6 trillion in lending. Which is exactly how we got to 2008's subprime lending.

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[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you explain how we're beyond bubbles like I'm 5? Is it that there are gentler market corrections now?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yes, contemporary economy and free markets are so imaginary now that cascading effects and bubble pops like 2008 are very unlikely. American stock market in particular is so far off reality (even before AI boom) that it's basically a video game with no actual relevancy to true gross product. While China/Russia is a dictatorship with no representation of reality at all and can easily hide the burden of bad economic policies in the obedient peasant class.

So we have dictatorship with imaginary worlds vs "free markets" living in their own imaginary simulation. Economy is all made up now and cascades are basically impossible because that requires rationality.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 points 1 day ago

Perfect explanation, also; since 07 thing where the hedge bros were not punished, there stopped existing any incentive to imagine any scenario where anyone lose any money due to bank runs

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (29 children)

But what will be left after it bursts? At least in cause of the housing bubble - the houses existed physically - what will be after the AI crash? Lots of spare gear sold for cheap?

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A bunch of brain dead junior Devs who cannot think for themselves

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

next year's salary research is going to be a lot of fun!

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But what will be left after it bursts?

Affordable GPUs? Less pushy AI commercials?

The wealthy will just move on to the next thing to inflate. Capitalists don't work. They don't care about anything other than ROI.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I don't think they care about ROI for real. If they cared none of that would've happened because that's just not how a real businesses are operating. You can burn the investments into R&D to an extent but if the product's money flow doesn't show a positive dynamics long enough - you get ready for some soul searching shit. My guess is that a lot of things contributing to AI bubble have something to do with money laundering.

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The s&p 500 tanks a ton and banks call on loans from these AI hyped companies using the price of the stocks as collateral (previously expected to rise). Credit crunch and now companies tighten the belts even further so higher unemployment again. Federal funds rate gets slashed and those that can manage steady good work during the recovery years will be fine. Everyone else will be struggle busing as usual

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[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

yes, We can't prevent the bubble burst. We can hope it happens sooner rather than later but the bubble is baked in. So what companies and individuals can to is basically buy up their detritus at bargain prices. And then use them to make better, more solid companies that do not require $3T investment while showing no fucking profit.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

it's kinda funny how all these massive business are all giant money drains year after year after year. back in the day business people used to pride themselves being in the black.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People need housing, no one needs this AI crap. Even in boring engineering jobs using tools that solved problems decades ago, we are getting AI shoveled in left and right in places no one needs or wants it. And calling old features "AI" is also another problem.

And now these stupid "barking bears attacking fat sleeping people" videos are everywhere, and people seem to think they're real.

We should focus on natural intelligence first, that is to say each other, and education...

Oh and the headline should read "Every day", "everyday" is an adjective, like an everyday occurence.

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[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems like the wealthy propping up their own bubble.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Well, they now control all the money, so they can decide all the value.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 day ago (16 children)

This doesn't really tell me anything, I'd have to compare it with other charts. E.g. what does the chart for agriculture look like? Airplane manufacturing? Internet in early 2000s?

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (11 children)

The GDP issue is not because of the AI bubble, it's because of tariffs and the complete destruction of US soft power abroad

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

From the entry for "zaibatsu" on Wikipedia:

Under the Allied occupation after the surrender of Japan, a partially successful attempt was made to dissolve the zaibatsu. Many of the economic advisors accompanying the SCAP administration had experience with the New Deal and were highly suspicious of monopolies and restrictive business practices, which they felt to be both inefficient, and to be a form of corporatocracy (and thus inherently anti-democratic).

The only difference? The zaibatsu actually diversified their operations.

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