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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 151 points 11 months ago

Cheap out on a lot of things in a build, never the PSU

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 68 points 11 months ago

I'll also argue you shouldn't skimp out on a motherboard.

I once owned an Asus Ranger VII. When I turned it on for the very first time, it lost its magic dust, and fried my RAM.

RMA found the MB was faulty, so they covered the RAM too.

This is from ASUS too, so I can only imagine how the chances of this sort of accident rises as you reduce the cost.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

I don't think I'll ever buy an asus board again. I've had so many problems over the years with their boards. I used to think they were quality

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I gave up on Asus after a motherboard went up in (literal) flames when a cap blew a month into owning it. The RMAed it and the new one was DOA. They blamed my power supply and wouldn't do a second return..

I bought an ASRock and it ran flawlessly for 5+ years. Yeah...it was definitely the power supply that was the problem, Asus..

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Wow that's pretty extreme. I found their RMA process to be pretty shitty and I didn't quite have those terrible issues. I did have to send I think 3 different boards back to them. They were slow and required a lot of communication to get it done. It's been years ago so I forget details but I remember each time, until the last time, thinking I just had bad luck.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My story was from 15+ years ago when I was less knowledgeable and assumed Asus was the best because people on [H] said so. Afterwards I looked into it and found tons of people having similar RMA woes and I learned to research further than the HardOCP community forum lol

Haven't bought an Asus product since so I have no idea if they're still bastards

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[-] phx@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

ASRock was an Asus spinoff but was later bought by Pegatron (which is part of the Asus holdings).

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Well the spinoff seems to be better

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah, it's weird because often enough the spinoffs may even share some infrastructure, but it's the pricing and support that are different.

Another good example is Virgin Mobile, which belongs to Bell, but their pricing and service are generally better.

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Pegatron sounds like it’d be the sex worker Transformer

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[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Their laptops are equally shit.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fucking thank you! I feel like I am taking crazy pills when these kids start praising ASUS "quality" and my 20 years in IT and 30 years of being a PC building lad has taught me that Asus and acer are some of the cheapest, most garbage crap you can buy.

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 5 points 11 months ago

I know it's all antidotal but I've been running Asus boards in my PCs for years and I've never had a single problem.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

*anecdotal

Also, when someone wants to say science is wrong because they've personally seen different, it's "anecdata" (that's not an official word but I like it 😂)

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[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The only thing that you can really cheap out on is the case. With all the other components cheaper should just mean getting a lower spec component from an A-brand. Buy a cheap cpu/ GPU/ mobo from Wish or AliExpress you’d get crap.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 25 points 11 months ago

I think the point is. If you buy a cheap GPU it'll either be a fake (lower spec with borked firmware) or lower spec branded. So the worst that happens is you have lower FPS, or it just doesn't work. Same with all other components. They're rarely off spec to the extent they will damage other components.

But a cheap switched mode PSU? Yeah the failure mode of switched mode supplies without proper protections is a high voltage on the rails feeding your components. They can take out your board, GPU, Drives and depending on what protections the mainboard has, the CPU and RAM too. Not to mention your precious RGB!

I remember back in the 90s/2000s we had a "server" where I worked at the time. I say "server", the company cheaped out and had a high street PC builder make them. They were essentially desktops in a bigger box with expensive CPUs and things like tape drives. But yes, they cheaped out on the PSU and it popped. It took out a £1k Tape drive, about the same value in hard disks, and pretty much everything else that was connected.

It was not cheap to get that back up and running, I can tell you.

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[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 93 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This has been going on for at least a couple of decades now.

PSU buying advice you'd hear from random PC gamers before the age of having a plethora of engaging-to-watch tech YouTubers really would be "if a power supply is heavy, it's probably good" outside of a slim minority of people who actually regularly read PSU reviews from PC hardware mags and articles.

I've seen a PSU with a straight up thin layer of cement in it, as well as bits of metal stuck to the inside. It's nothing new.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think we should be fair and give credit where it's due, that advice may have been going around but more likely in reverse form – "if a PSU is very light something's wrong". Any gamer with half a brain has long since learned to buy PSU's based on reviews coming from reputable testing labs. There have been such labs available for a long time now, jonnyguru.com (Jean-Claude Gerow) started doing detailed PSU analysis around 2006 I believe.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

To me this is the most important reason for building your own PC. If you don't care or don't want to research each part then sure, get a prebuilt. Otherwise, it's really nice to know what's in it and do your research on each piece so you know it's quality and will be supported.

[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

Warranty is the biggest reason for a prebuilt. Anything goes wrong with it and you're not spending money on things to test and experiment with. You send it in, it comes back working.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

You get warranty for parts too. Unless you meant warranty as a substitute for building know-how.

[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

It's a convenience factor I think. Send the whole thing away and it comes back working. Opposed to having to find the faulting hardware and determining the type of fault and dealing with the vendor for that specific part in hopes that it's actually the issue.

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[-] phx@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've given similar advice but it's more "light is likely no good, but don't just trust that it's heavy" as well.

The cement is probably missed with lead to keep the radiation in ;-)

[-] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

This reads like an AI generated news story about a reddit post.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

The sad thing is that it almost certainly isn't. The spelling mistakes that were made aren't characteristic of AI generated blurbs which means they paid someone to write this lol.

[-] BudgieMania@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah this type of "thing in Reddit happens..." articles have been going on for a long time, ever since it took off. It's what drove me off traditional media and into reddit in the first place, so many articles were "Redditor does this" "Redditor discovers that" that I eventually was like fuck it why wouldn't I just go to the source of all of this lol

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

I really long for the days that journalists proofread their work for obvious mistakes. Pathetic:

But RedditCringe990 on the PCMR subreddit did, and found a power supplies ...

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

There's supposed to be copy editors for that sort of thing. It's their job to have a copy of Hacker and a red pen at their desk.

I worked for a small, local newspaper in high school, and the copy editors would endlessly complain about one of the most prolific contributors. Her articles were nearly unreadable before the copy editors did their work.

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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To quote Boris the Blade: Heavy is good, heavy is reliable.

[-] Parabola@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

If it doesn’t work, you can still hit him with it

[-] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

"Why do they call him the bullet dodger?"

"... because he dodges bullets, Avi."

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[-] frozengriever@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago
[-] GingeyBook@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

But now I have to give Reddit traffic.

I'm conflicted

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago
[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

For those of us out of the loop, what did Kia do?

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Metal shavings took out some of their engines.

[-] slowwooderrunsdeep@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I just looked this brand and model up and don't see it yet, and I don't see it on the side of the housing, so I'm gonna guess this doesn't have a UL listing. That's usually a good starting point to see if it's reputable.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 8 points 11 months ago

Relying on a UL logo isn't much protection as you must trust that the company is being honest in using it. Best bet is to rely on a company's reputation, which may not result in you getting a quality product, but it should be safe at the very least.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

UL listing is more than just a logo on the product. They run a public database where anyone can verify the certification.

https://www.ul.com/services/digital-applications/ul-certification-database

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago

Good to know. Thanks for sharing the link

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 8 points 11 months ago

Isn't this pretty common in a lot of consumer electronics? Pretty sure power banks and hard drives frequently have weights added to them

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Only in cheap chinese shit. Don't buy cheap chinese shit. Heavy stuff is heavy because transformers and huge MOSFETs are pricey.

[-] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 10 points 11 months ago

Why? What's the benefit of adding weights? Surely smaller and lighter is better?

[-] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

People think weight = quality.

Sometimes it can indicate something is better made, like something made with lots of plastic vs more metal. In a PSU you need lots of metal for the windings, cores, and power stabilization components. It should have some heft to it.

Unscrupulous manufacturers will sometimes throw chunks of metal into an item (like Beats headphones) that do nothing except make a thing weigh more to prey on the sense that weight means better quality.

[-] scrooge@infosec.pub 15 points 11 months ago

Feels more premium

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 11 months ago

In certain devices (batteries and power supplies) there's a minimum weight that can realistically store or convert a specified amount of energy or power.

So if you buy a 1000w PSU and it's too light, you're going to know it is fake. So they add the weight to make it feel right for the power rating. In this case this is a double-whammy of a failure waiting to happen. A PSU with a lower than advertised rating, coupled with a lack of safety circuitry means it's more likely to fail due to the overload applied, and when it fails it's more likely to go out in a big way.

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[-] nomecks@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I remember opening up Powmax power supplies and seeing hand soldering and trace tape everywhere

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