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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago

Pro-tip for tourists: if you speak English LOUDER AND SLOOOWEEEER, you'll bypass any language barrier.

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

My wife stayed in a rural town near Shichigahama for a week. Nobody spoke English except a few students. But the citizens did speak Japanese louder and slower, showing that's a universal trait. It actually helped, as my wife knew SOME Japanese.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago

Hilariously enough, in Japan it kinda sorta works not really but ish... They have so many loan words from English that if you just say an English word in a Japanese accent it might be the right one. Like the word for print is purinto, hotel is hotelu (hoteru), and camera is kamera.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

They also get taught English in school for multiple years, and English is on almost every sign in major metro areas

Travelling to Japan while only knowing a couple of phrases went perfectly fine due to most people being able to understand what I needed them to, even when my wife and I got lost and had a group of 6 or so people at a local hospital frantically trying to help us find our hotel

[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I lived there a couple years, if all else fails there is an even higher rate of understanding written English than spoken. In the two years I was there I never felt like I was in a situation ever I needed to know how to read or speak the language(s) even though I did make an effort.

My first experience was having to get from the airport to a hotel in Tokyo to stay the night. A gentleman outside the airport helped show me how the buses worked (those drivers are crazy) and when I got to the hotel counter the gal pulled out a pen and paper since I only knew English and we wrote back and forth to each other. After that my concern over getting lost went away, everyone was really friendly and helpful in my experience.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you learn the katakana alphabet, most signs and menus in Japan are like this. They're just English words approximated to sounds in Japanese speech.

It's like, 70 characters. Not huge at all.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah after years living here I'm finally trying to learn how to actually read, but I gotta say that memorizing a thousand kanji and still barely being able to read shit is pretty discouraging.

[-] KingofHearts615@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've been practicing that alphabet for over a year. I still see some of them, and my mind just blanks. It's fun, though, slowly understanding more as time goes on.

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[-] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Is the u pronounced? I recently learned katakana and it seems like the u variant is used to just get the consonant, i.e. if you pronounce words by leaving out the u they often match more closely to the English word than if you do pronounce the u (or to (ト), because tu doesn't exist, it's tsu). The two examples you gave match that thesis.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The kana alphabets were (probably) borrowed from Pali, and syllables follow the structure (consonant + vowel) or (vowel). In other words, a consonant must not, grammatically, occur alone. I don't know if Japanese still retains this as an explicit rule, but this is why you see the -u ending. It may or may not be pronounced, depending on which way flows better.

Many other languages with Pali / Sanskrit heritage have similar behaviour. However, Sanskrit itself and some modern languages have a dedicated character called a 'viraama', which says 'this consonant has no following vowel'. For example, in the word 'Padma' (lotus), the d is followed by a virama. Other languages, like Japanese, use 'u' instead of a dedicated viraama. So different languages in east, southeast and south Asia might write and say it as Padma, Paduma or Padama, but all versions would be mutually intelligible.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You need to put your foot down demand that they speak English to you and abuse them if they refuse. Most people don't know this, but it's hazing ritual in a lot of countries for locals to mess with tourists by speaking made up languages to them, they actually all know English, because that's the only actual human language that exists.

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

No fucking way! You're telling me my whole interpreting major is a lie?? I'm gonna send strongly worded email to professor "Peña," or whatever her real name is. 😡

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, come on! Two letters away from penis? And what's with the squiggly line over the N--we're just drawing all over the alphabet now? Those should have been a dead giveaway: she's totally messing with you.

[-] Case@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago

The same technique works back home in the US too.

Foreign immigrant, but they're not brown enough to shoot on sight? Louder and slower while you assess the foreign devil... Just because they're white doesnt mean they can't be a commie.

This was meant as a joke, but living in the south this has certainly happened recently somewhere nearby.

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ayo nice username

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

✍️ noted, any more tips?

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Take of your underwear if that doesn't work

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 year ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago
[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

ake mushrooms

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago

As someone who went to the greater Tokyo area about a month ago. I can unironically confirm that pretty much everything does have subtitles. (in the form of text translation and most workers speak some sort of english/have someone available that speaks english)

[-] Snowcano@startrek.website 18 points 1 year ago

As someone who lives in Japan, that is true as long as you stay inside the tourist bubble. Once you start venturing into places not meant for visitors, the difficulty goes from 0 to 100 real quick. That said, sometimes those experiences of struggling communication can be among the best you’ll have here.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I lived in Busan Korea back in the nineties before it was developed and before it was exporting its pop culture. I remember struggling to even get a Coke out of a vending machine. It was really difficult, but since I was young and adventurous, it was also super fun.

By the time I went to Fukuoka a couple times for visa runs, I had that expat sixth sense that allowed me to navigate around with next to no knowledge of the language. I was able to get cabs, take the subway, find my hotel, get food (though I didn't always know what I was ordering) etc.

I still laugh to this day at my attempts to play pachinko when I stumbled upon such establishment. The people inside were particularly entertained with my nonsense.

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Ye, I did go out a little bit of the Tokyo tourist area and it was a bit confusing with restaurants but not bad either. Tech really helps with all of that nowadays. DeepL did some heavy lifting there.

[-] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Thats interesting. So you were able to navigate and peruse the town with relative ease?

[-] Krukenberg@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago

Greater Tokyo

...

the town

Ehh

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much yea, the hardest part was the train but tbh that's because I'd never been on a train so I wasn't sure how the map worked. Took me like 15 minutes and a couple missed trains to figure it out. Google maps is actually amazing for this, assuming you're staying in the greater Tokyo area.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

[Foreign language]

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

You gotta turn it on in the menu.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Instructions unclear, penis inside tentacle

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

Getting that fully immersive exposure to Japanese culture

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Eh, close enough.

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 14 points 1 year ago

More importantly, at the urinals how do they properly aim their piss what with all those huge pixels

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

they obviously have upscalers in their brains

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

When you arrive in Japan ... you automatically become an NPC

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

POV: Your babble fish ate your universal translater

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's as if you are in an isekai

[-] tweeks@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

An underpowered one; In Another World With My Smartphone, trying to make a hotel understand that my wallet was stolen, using Google Translate, while they increasingly seem to question my sanity.

[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

The name isn't long enough

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You just need more EXP to unlock the Appraisal skill

[-] Spesknight@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Didn't bring the remote to turn them on?

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

The funny thing is that Japanese kanji sometimes do have subtitles, and these may even be in the Latin script.

[-] Blackout@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I prefer dubbed Japan anyways

[-] Fontasia@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

You made the mistake of going to "Japan *~RaWs~*™"

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