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[-] li10@feddit.uk 143 points 11 months ago

For some reason people seem to think they’re fundamentally smarter than people were back then.

Yeah, you may have technically had a better education, but you’re not inherently more intelligent than the average person back then, and a genius from that time is still miles ahead of you.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

Yeah they had less lead in their environment. They probably were actually smarter, just had less access to foundational knowledge

[-] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 58 points 11 months ago

Less lead, but probably more malnutrition and disease.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago
[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

God: I intended more lead. I fixed the bug.

[-] jackoneill@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

We fixed the glitch.

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[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 11 months ago

Egypt was very fertile and had food surpluses, many societies that build cool shit had food surpluses.

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, it's been linked to systemic racist thought patterns (which are often unintentional but should be acknowledged). I explain it to people like this: take a handful of sand and turn your fist so that your palm faces perpendicular to the ground. Now release the sand slowly... What shape does it form? It isn't rocket science.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Ancient aliens literally has Nazi origins. They didn't just have race-science, but race-history. I guess you could call their thinking ancient-Aryans because they believed that impressive structures built by brown people must have been led by a Northern European diaspora who eventually vanished because of race-mixing.

You can watch the History channel all you want, but nobody is going to question the Parthenon or the Colosseum. Stonehenge is the only one I can think of where Aliens had to help white people.

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 8 points 11 months ago

The two things you named were built thousands of years after the pyramids are believed to have been built though. You said it yourself, people think aliens helped with Stonehenge. That's because it's much older and there is no written history from when it was built.

I don't doubt racism is factor in all sorts of aspects in life but this seems like a massive fucking stretch. Maybe come up with better examples.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago

It's fair to imagine the challenges a building team would face 2k plus years ago.

Like in this example, building levers that are strong enough to lift the load. I bet they broke a bunch of stuff.

But eventually they figured it out, via trial and error. Levers, ramps, etc. They probably couldn't describe why those things were inherently the best way, but more approached from the "we tried 9 other ways and they suck. This is the best way."

Next, the phrase "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is relevant here, but in a backwards way.

Since we struggle to imagine what it would take for an ancient society to master the techniques to build these things, we therefore begin to grasp for unrealistic conclusions (magic...read...aliens).

Same goes for Europeans building cathedrals and stuff, the trick is the history, the methods and the results were more documented and understood.

There are some racism concerns that I think go beyond and around what I've discussed, which is more abstract. I'm not discounting the other topics, just not covering them here.

[-] YoorWeb@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Egyptians didn't just decide "hey, let's build a pyramid". Mastabas were first, the shape of a Pyramid evolved later.

Not to mention that there's a few faulty pyramids (e.g. Bent Pyramid which were finished quickly or all together abandoned before completion.

Merer forgot to mention aliens in his diary too.

But hey, aliens did it. They couldn't just land on Earth. Their ships were designed to land on a Pyramid because that's how intelligent race would build their spaceships. Don't question it, just trust the specialists (who wrote books!).

Anyway, for anyone interested in Ancient Egypt, the best thing out there (I think) are Bob Briers lectures also available on Audible.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Don't know why you replied this to me, but cool links.

I never suggested there's any validity in the alien-pyramid thing, only described how it could have entered the discussion in the first place.

("We don't know what they did, seems hard even for us, must have been magic". Pathway)

Not advocating anything, not arguing anything, no tinfoil on my frog's heads, they live naturally.

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[-] anzich@feddit.de 48 points 11 months ago

Pretty sure the Egyptians were smart enough. But the European cathedrals cannot be explained w/o aliens

[-] TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 11 months ago

Great Wall of China? Come-on, no body can do that. And its not aliens, its GOD, who show favors protecting his favorite people, the Chinese.

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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 11 months ago

The constant barrage of Joe Rogan clips of idiots claming it was impossible to move these huge stones over those distances with the tech at the time was what drove me to disable YouTube shorts.

[-] li10@feddit.uk 31 points 11 months ago

You can disable shorts??

I need to do that. I get stuck in a loop of watching them, and 90% of them just piss me off anyway.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago

Honestly, the first and arguably most important step is recognizing how much of online content is specifically designed to get a reaction out of you, primarily in the form pissing you off.

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[-] dadGPT@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

i turned off watch history. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/95725.

now i dont get any recommendations from youtube and only watch what i am interested in.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

The creation of the feature is what made me disable shorts. If I wanted vine then I'd go back to 2013.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

Lifting it is like 1/100th of the challenge. Moving it across hundreds of miles, cutting it, getting it to the top of the pyramid, and setting it in place are all bigger problems than simply lifting the stone.

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

I think they started at the top and then built down

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

they were just trying to find the upper block limit after hitting bedrock

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[-] Spendrill@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

"Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world,"

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A couple years ago my chemistry teacher told my class that the Egyptians had really advanced technology (technology even more advanced than our own) thousands of years ago but it all got lost because they started a nuclear war

Edit: she told us that the evidence was that there were smartphone paintings

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 23 points 11 months ago

Sounds like he was sneaking sniffs in the flammable cabinet a little too often.

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

Famously impossible thing to detect in historical records: massive amounts of uranium-235.

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

But we all know the lever was invented by Jayzus Christ in America when Washington and Lincoln were reading the Bible and praying together!

[-] SoyaSuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 11 months ago

There's a whole chapter on levers called Leviticus

[-] admin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago
[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 30 points 11 months ago
[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 11 months ago

Actually I was listening to a podcast that explains this. They didn't have levers yet. They did have other devices but no lever.

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[-] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

“Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world. ”

  • Archimedes
[-] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I know how they're built because I watch Witual. Internal ramp theory babeeee!

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

Friendly reminder the Mayans had a highway

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The aliens had to come to Earth to learn how to build pyramids from us

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 11 months ago
[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The great pyramid of Giza weighs around 6 million tons https://weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-the-pyramid-of-giza-weigh/

An average human can apparently develop about 200N https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergonomics/push1.html

Meaning that an average human would need a lever about 3×10^8 m long (considering a 1 metre load arm) to move the pyramid.

Do you find this credible?

ETA: some people think I'm serious. This is quite the flabbergast.

[-] Dashi@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and say i don't think they found the pyramid whole and moved the entire thing. I think they took small pieces, possibly block shaped and moved those one at a time

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Ancient alien theory is extremely racist and I am shocked people don't reject it on those grounds alone.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Top text, they built it

Bottom text, aliens built it

Peter Griffin race meme

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