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It is ghoulish that this deeply personal information has to be made public just for this woman to get medical care that she always should have been able to get.
Yes.
"Sorry ma'am, that baby is gonna have to calcify in your uterus, we're pro life here."
Maybe worth being a little more blunt in this case:
"Sorry ma'am, that corpse is going to have to calcify in your uterus, we're pro life here."
Not fair! It could go septic and kill her instead!
Hey! Calcium is people, too!
GOP: We can't get universal healthcare because that's putting government in control of your medical conditions.
Also GOP: Let's pass a law that makes "Kentucky woman seeking court approval for abortion learned her embryo no longer has cardiac activity" a real headline.
Pro-Life doesn't apply when the fetus is already dead. This is pro-basic medical treatment vs. anti.
They were never pro-life.
They are anti basic treatment.
Its just anti-women, always had been.
I say we start transplanting these fetuses into the people that don't want the women to get care. Let them deal with it. Just open them up, drop it in and close it up and send them on their way.
Goddamn these southern state politicians are truly vile.
This is a fucking insane dystopian nightmare. Fuck the GOP, fuck the SCotUS, fuck the US in general at this point. Fuck everything.
is it still an abortion if the fetus died?
This is the exact problem with these bans. The medical procedure in question (dilation and curretage) can be and is used in cases with a fetus in any condition. The same procedure can be used for an elective abortion, a medically necessary abortion, or even to complete a miscarriage that is already underway.
The "abortion" procedure would have saved Savita Halapanavar's life. I personally know three women who were in similar circumstances, losing a lot of blood during miscarriages that weren't completing on their own.
You can't ban medical procedures that have valid use cases. These things are most properly regulated by medical professionals themselves.
Abortion is the name of the medical procedure. So removing a dead fetus is still an abortion.
If you have to have these laws they should specifically target elective abortions. Not the medical procedure in general.
Just to be 100% clear I don't support abortion bans in any form. Just pointing out blanket banning a medical procedure is fucking outrageous.
If you have to have these laws they should specifically target elective abortions. Not the medical procedure in general.
I understand you are just playing devil's advocate here, but even this is a bad idea. As we've seen in Texas, the law isn't designed for nuance, it is designed to attack women. The Texas law was supposed to have exceptions for health and safety of the woman/fetus, and we saw how that played out. Having a law that specifically targeted elective abortions would have the same problem where the state would undoubtedly put the burden of proof on the woman. "Oh, your baby has no heartbeat? Fill out this form in triplicate, get your doctor to sign it, have it notarized, and your abortion will be approved in 38 - 40 weeks."
The answer is "whichever answer results in the most suffering."
We could have codified Roe, but preserving the filibuster was more important.
Yup, the filibuster that has been used almost exclusively by racists and bigots trying to deny any kind of positive change. Absolutely need to keep that shit around when we already have the presidential veto and two separate chambers holding up any kind of progress even before the opportunity to hold stuff up in the courts.
Democrats are openly happy to preserve the relic of Jim Crow that is the filibuster. Setting a timetable for another man's freedom is their heritage. They call it incrementalism now.
Conservatives cannot mind their own business under any circumstances. How they still trick people into believing 'conservatism' is beyond me.
It's classic cult programming.
She killed her baby! To JAIL with her! If only she had waited until it was born to kill it she would be FINE by my Pro Life standards!
The proper way to kill an infant in america is to feed it deregulated lead filled baby formula after its been born.
I already donate to PP and the ACLU, but is there some kind of legal defense fund for women in this kind of position? Do those organizations have everything covered so it’s better to just increase donations to them?
I know there were a number of charities launching as well as independent activities helping women travel out of state for safe abortions, and I am just trying to get a sense of the best way we can put our money to use while we’re still working on reversing the political side of this.
Any one ever hear of heartbeat laws?
If a woman has a heartbeat, we must oppress her.
-the GOP
But-but-but there could be a miracle and the baby’s heart could start beating again if she just prays enough and is devout enough! And so if that doesn’t happen then God obviously doesn’t like her and so she should suffer!
Seriously though, it never was about the children. It was about making sure women pay for being of Eve’s get.
If you were an ultrasound technician or an OB/GYN, and the embryo shows cardiac activity, you should definitely not record that the embryo doesn't have cardiac activity so that the woman can choose to terminate. That would be illegal.
I predict they will say the case is moot to kick the can down the road.
Suddenly she won't have standing. Unlike, you know, when other people (on cases they like) can still push through when they don't have standing.
this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
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