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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 110 points 11 months ago

Someone I used to work with gets paid a truly ridiculous amount of money because she changes jobs around every 14 months to 2 years. She hates every job she takes and is constantly worried that her boss hates her in every role. I don't think she's happy, despite the huge pay. I'd rather be happy. I work to live, not live to work.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

I hope she retires early and enjoys life after work.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

FIRE people know

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I like my job and love my team. I'm truly afraid of losing that.

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[-] dlpkl@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago

Or some more sage advice: keep interviewing and an eye on salaries and compare that to your realistic prospectives at your job. Employers aren't dumb, and if they see that you move around a lot they might not even bother hiring you.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

I have a lot of acquaintances in my field that seem to have no problem changing jobs every 1-2 years and keep doing better each time.

[-] rodbiren@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago

2ish years is the Goldilocks zone of job hoping. Less then that and you look more trouble than you are worth. More than that and you miss out on real pay raises. Though of course if you have it good then you don't have to jump.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It does work for a while but eventually higher end stuff they will pass you on. Training a new employee is about 6 months worth of work, so spinning someone up just on new projects/ history takes a good chunk of time.

[-] Jaccident@startrek.website 10 points 11 months ago

This depends on the job and role, I know plenty people who tend to be flung at a project for 6-8 months, then pivoted to another, ad infinitum. For them, changing company etc is only slightly more inconvenient for them and the employer than shifting internally.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

My manager does this. If he sees that a job candidate hops jobs a lot he won't give them an interview. That being said, our yearly raises meet/exceed inflation and he's a pretty good manager

[-] Chriswild@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Just because they are good and your job gives raises doesn't mean previous employers did.

If you want loyalty get a dog, I work to get paid.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

That's not a very logical approach.

If the qualifications are in place, your manager may be losing out on good and qualified workforce that would be loyal if they got treated well

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That’s about as logical and as loaded as an assumption as being fickle. It could also mean the person isn’t qualified and other employers figured that out. But again these are assumptions. In their shoes they are right to be wary and probably have some experiences backing up that caution.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is pretty dumb advice, because someone who's hopping every 2 years and getting passed on interviews is still getting more interviews than someone who's not applying at all.

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[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Yeah the new strategy is lateral climbing. Companies don't value loyalty and don't give raises for sticking around anymore, so fuck em.

[-] RobMyBot@lemmy.ml 51 points 11 months ago

...I should look for a new job, perhaps

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Doesn't hurt to check out your options. And almost any job will welcome you back (usually at your new pay rate) if you change your mind down the road.

Over my career, lateral moves have netted me +80%, +30%, and 20%. Not to mention quality of work/life improvements.

Most companies basically offer a < 5% raise every year, which is just around inflation. Maybe a 10% bump if you get promoted. The wider world values your skills much more.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

I laugh at people bitching about their pay. Move. On. Why would the company suddenly throw you a 20% raise!? Out of the goodness of their heart?

My last 3 jobs (top pay): $14 -> $22 -> $39. At this point I could probably jump ship for more but I'm quite content to retire out of this place.

Stay put 3-5 years, gain experience, jump. When we moved here my buddy took a job at an oil change place, barely above min wage and far below his skillset. Kept job hopping and now he's making $120K+.

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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

It’s sad how true this is. I quit my job and went to work for another company for a year. The previous company contacted me wanting me back, and hired be back after a year for $15k more than before. I’ve been there a year now and got a 3% raise. Probably should just quit again and get rehired

[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Suddenly no more office-only or office-first policies, suddenly there is money to offer, suddenly there is possibility to have a better computer.

Also suddenly HR system couldn't work for a week, so signing a new counter-offer contract might not be possible at the moment. "Cancel your offer, you will sign in next week".

Interesting stuff :)

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[-] berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Stupid question, wasn't that a risky move? I mean, the way I was raised to think by my parents I can hear their voices in the back of my head if I went through a situation like this, similar to this:

"But aren't you worried they might hire you then fire you just out of spite for switching companies? And then what are you gonna do?"

[-] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

Not OP, but companies don't really care about people to that degree. They act for profit, or perceived profit, or to avoid a loss- someone that they know to be useful who is already familiar with the business is more valuable than an unknown.

[-] berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 11 months ago

Makes sense. People think they are the center of the universe when companies only see you as an additional cog in the machine. I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad by this. I'll choose the positive side of things today.

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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

It wasn’t risky because I wanted to leave. I had problems with how they ran things. Then I realized the new place was even worse, and the old place reached out to me offering my job back. They explained how many of the things that I had issues with had been resolved or were being worked on. And they weren’t lying because I’m still there and quite happy.

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[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

I was born into a family run company. Gave them 10 years of my life. The first few years I worked really hard and got a 2-3 dollar raise. Shortly after, minimim wage went up to 50 cents below what I was making. I did not get another raise until 2-3 years down the line. Regardless who your employer is, get treated fairly or leave for somewhere that will treat you fairly.

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[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

I've been with the same place for about 16 years. I wasted a lot of time staying in one department trying to be the best employee. I've moved repeatedly just within the company. Because moving within the company is pretty easy to do. The yearly pay raises I was getting was garbage. By moving departments and renegotiating my pay I've effectively doubled my pay from 4 years ago.

When there's no incentive to stay but all the reason to go...

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

Sad, but true. First 7 years of my software career were split between two companies and despite 3 promotions and exceeding expectations in reviews regularly, salary growth was between 2-5% YoY.

Most recent 5 years of my career I've changed jobs every 6ish months and am now averaging about 40% YoY salary growth.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Insane that a company will pay you a 20% premium to hire someone that they'll spend 6-months training just to watch said person fly off to another firm.

Contracting is even worse. Bring someone on to do menial piecework at 2x-5x the median company salary, then kick them out so you can bring on another person who has no idea how your company operates to do the same entry-level jobs. All so you don't have to tell investors how many people are actually on your payroll.

No wonder the business failure rate is so fucking high.

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

And then they act like it’s the employees who are wrong. I bet every single one of the job hoppers enjoying these huge salary benefits would prefer to just chill in the same job forever if it achieved the same thing.

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[-] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

I read a few times that there is a breaking point between people who switch jobs every 3 years on average. Any less often you make significantly less at retirement.

I'm sure there is a value that's too often but I've tried to stay pretty close to the 3 year mark and we make about 5x what my wife and I wanted to make at retirement.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago
[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Show me a union web dev job.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@slrpnk.net 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Telling your manager how shit they are is very satisfying too

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

It's not worth it if you chase money. Even the biggest assholes at your previous job might end up in a place adjacent to you, especially if you don't look internationally (or at least out of your area) for jobs.

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

It sucks but it's true. These days, loyalty just means you're easier to take for granted.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Yep, a medium sized youtuber that worked as HR said this to everyone that is looking for a raise: change company and come back.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 15 points 11 months ago

Always good to know what you are worth and keep interviewing skills sharp. But yeah, you could wait years for a promotion (more responsibilities!) and it only be 10% whereas a lateral move at a new company could be higher pay for the same type/amount of work. Crazy, right?

[-] CyberDragonCore@programming.dev 9 points 11 months ago

I have been working at my current company for two years. Because China's economic environment is not good, I have never dared to leave this job.

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