I also hope this doesn't turn into "this is about WORLD politics. Why are you talking about America?"

News should be news, I would like this community to focus on political discussions, editorials, and commentaries from a variety of viewpoints, if that makes sense.

And to be frank, I don't think topics like "Trump smells bad" is good political discussion, which is what I would aim to avoid.

Don’t apologize for the Trump smells posts. And I’m being very serious here, just because WE want the political news to be serious or relevant doesn’t mean that it is. We currently have a lot of very childish and middle school rhetoric happening in today’s political climate and ignoring it is equivalent to sticking our fingers in our ears and screaming “la la la… this isn’t happening..la la la”. We can’t discredit this sort of without harming our overall understanding of what’s happening. Do I wish we weren’t having a discussion about the odor of a major political figure and instead talking about how we’re going fix problems like housing prices, wealth disparity, climate change, etc? Hell yes! Be here we are.

Now about the proposed rule change, I don’t think importing world politics into c/politics is such a great idea, especially right now. c/politics is just implied to be US politics. I would love to hear about other struggles or relevant world oriented political news, just in another Lemmy community. For example what’s going on in Ukraine and Israel are VERY important on the world stage but I’d like to currently keep the impending doom segmented at least for my own mental health. We could rename c/politics to c/us-politics and create c/world-politics (assuming that’s technically possible). I’m not going to leave this community regardless of the decision but it wouldn’t be my favorite decision either.

Just my 2¢

Good to talk to you again. You are one of my favorite accounts on Lemmy.

Are the mods thinking transforming this community into something like “ask politics”-type format?

Article submissions are still very much welcome here, but I would like to expand this place so that we have more discussion among the community on political topics. So, a bit of both.

I do want to foster a culture of thoughtful discussion here, and that needs to originate from our power submitter such as yourself. If you put in effort in your submission, then the comment section will be encouraged to make effort as well.

I don't think a weekly highlighting would be necessary, because I think we should all read more and be more informed on politics before we comment. Still thinking about what we should do here.

Given the removal of the US only restriction here, I am hoping that we can use !politics@lemmy.world as a place that allows for analysis and op-eds, and keep !world@lemmy.world as the place that does not allow op-eds and focus solely on world news.

I disagree strongly. The arguments and rhetoric that politicians and pundits throw at each other is a huge part of the political process in a democracy with liberal speech rights.

Besides that, basically every political movement starts out as opinion. Like, "Hey, I don't think the king has divine rights and he ought to be forced to listen to us a bit," isn't an objective fact, it's an opinion. A great opinion if you ask me and one I would fight for in 19th century Europe or whatever, but I can't give you any tangible measurable thing that conclusively proves that that's the way it ought to be. I just have a really strongly felt opinion about it.

News communities shouldn't have any op-ed pages, but politics pages are exactly where those kinds of articles belong imo.

When it comes to Moderator drama, I would RATHER the site Admins make the call than the other moderators.

If you don't then the optics are bad. Say I took the initiative and bounced Yobucks and appointed MightBe, the end result, to you guys, would look like I staged a coup and inserted my own cronies to the modlist (which is something that happened more than once on reddit.)

Being able to step aside, reach out to the Admins and go "Hey, I think we have a problem..." is a huge improvement.

I would like to address your concerns. The audience here is very much US centric, so that even with the current rule change, I don't expect the content and culture here to drastically change overnight. In fact, I would still very much expect US politics to be fairly dominant here in the near future.

And rest assured, we would not want the antagonism here to increase either.

The previous logo and banner was made by YoBuck, I think he took it with him when he left.

Might want to run a logo contest/banner contest sometimes soon, if you guys are interested.

I agree, but it's a hard line to draw when Trump is the likely GOP presidential nominee, and half or more of Republicans in Congress are little knock off versions of him. Take for instance, Trump's Christmas message directing Biden and liberals to rot in hell, that's just a garbage story. But it's the presumptive GOP nominee saying it, so I guess it's substantive? If you ignore it, you normalize it.

Maybe it's not news stories that are at fault, it's just that the US politics itself has reached "tablod-level garbage". Fuck I'm not looking for to this election year.

I’d agree, but there needs to be a place for political slugfests too. Where can we discuss Trump’s BO, Rudy’s flop sweat and BoBo’s HJs?

I see thoughtful, factual comments with double digit negative scores.

I see short, factually incorrect comments highly rewarded for asserting as facts, things that are unlikely and unproven

Unfortunately, this is really a community cultural issue inherited from the old site. Karma isn't a thing here, but I do believe the habits formed from having karma to be the root of many toxic behaviors here.

There is no user scoring system here, if your views are unpopular but reasonable, I don't see the need to remove it; the opposite is true, if your comment is upvoted but breaks our community rules, then they will be removed.

I am a strong believer in democracy, but I don't believe in mob rule, so the above is the principle I go by.

To address your points.

I think there should be a good justification for all of our rules. LW isn't US based, many on the admin team are not even native English speakers, I see no good justification for us to restrict ourselves to US politics only. Of course, people upvote what they want to see here.

I don't think we will be restricting text posts in the future, I would like to see it being allowed here in general. But changes should be implemented carefully but steadily.

I would like the feedback thread to serve the function of a general meta post on our moderation style. We're all human, we make mistakes, but acknowledging them and correct them quickly would be our goal.