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submitted 1 year ago by Classy@sh.itjust.works to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I just installed Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS (Cinnamon) on an empty laptop a couple days ago and have been experimenting a lot. I'm coming from being a Windows user since I was just a little kid playing old DOS games on my grandpa's Win-98 PC back in around 2000. My daily driver is currently running Windows 10 but I am pretty adamant on not going with Win-11. I've been wanting to experiment with Linux for a while and Cinnamon so far seems like a lot of fun to navigate. Terminal is amazing. The fact that you can custom-write keyboard commands that can be hand-tailored to individual programs on your computer via the OS... that's powerful.

I have not tried running WINE yet but I plan on doing so soon. I also have not done much of anything, honestly, except for learning how to search for programs with gnome-software --search=. I have also used sudo a couple times to download software here and there, but I know I am not tackling this in as systematic of a way as I ought to be to really figure this machine out.

What are some really important basic commands I can use to start branching out into Terminal command structures and learning more about how I can edit and customize my computer? And if Cinnamon has shortfalls or weaknesses that I may run into eventually, what are some good alternative distros that I could leapfrog to eventually? I do not have any coding experience (currently), but I do consider myself a semi-power-user on Windows, having messed with CMD many times and digging through all the damn menus to access drivers and alter ports.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 year ago

My main recommendation is this - The more techsavvy you are, the harder a switch to Linux will be, because you know how to do some complex things on Windows, and now you'll have to relearn it on Linux.

Take your time, Google lots, and just know the ceiling on Linux is much higher for power users, so getting over the initial hump will reward you greatly

[-] BearPear@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also switched to linux after using windows for more than 10 years. I still havent gotten used to linux yet. There are still a lot of things I struggle with.

I kind of had difficulty setting up my printer, I tried to install the HP drivers but it did not install. But none of this installation was required because linux supports driverless printing throught the cups service which I wish I knew earlier.

Another is the use of vi text editor, I couldn' t figure out how to even edit the file and save the file🤣.

Yeah many more examples. It is a bumpy ride. But it is all worth it.

[-] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't have to learn vi if you don't want to. Just switch your default text editor to one that you like (it doesn't even have to be a GUI one)

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[-] Forkk@forkk.me 51 points 1 year ago

Ctrl+R to search your bash history. I hate how long I went without knowing this, so I've always got to spread the word about it.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Jfc.....I've been using Linux for almost 2 decades.....and TIL

[-] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago

if you use zsh, typing the first part of the command and then using the up arrow searches through the history for commands with the same starting characters

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[-] Forkk@forkk.me 4 points 1 year ago

Didn't take me that long, but I had a similar reaction to learning about it haha

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[-] CylonBunny@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Press the up arrow over and over until you find the command. This is they way!

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[-] mortrek@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Huh.. Always just piped the history command through grep

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[-] PriorProject@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Two tips:

I have not tried running WINE yet but I plan on doing so soon.

Steam "just works" on Linux, you can install it via flatpak (which I use) or from their deb repo. It includes "Proton", which is a fancy bundle of wine and some extra open source valve sauce to make it nice and easy to use. Any game that runs on the steam deck also runs on Linux via proton, and there's no messing around at all. It looks and feels just like steam on Windows, and thousands of games just work with no setup or config beyond clicking the big blue and green buttons to install and run. Not EVERY games works, but tons do. I'd heavily recommend this over raw wine to a beginner.

The second tip is not to ask what you can do on Linux. The answer, to a first approximation, is that you can do everything on Linux that you can do on Windows or OSX. I daily drive all three, and mostly do the same stuff on them. Instead, ask YOURSELF what you WANT to do on Linux. Then Google and ask us HOW to do it... or what the nearest approximation is if the precise thing you want to do doesn't work on Linux.

[-] dr_jekell@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. Linux is not Windows

Do not expect things to work as they do in Windows.

  1. The terminal is not to be feared (it only bites when told to)

While you can get most things done via a GUI option using the Terminal is much more powerful and gives more information.

  1. Not all hardware works with or works well with Linux

This pertains mostly to Laptops and peripherals, but always do a quick Google search to check for any issues.

One of the big issues for people is sound, a lot of computer & parts makers like to use the cheapest no-name parts they can because Windows lets them require "drivers" aka software fixes for poor hardware whereas Linux tends to give unaltered output leading to complaints about sound quality.

  1. Not all software works on or works well on Linux

You are not going to find software from Adobe, Microsoft office 365 etc running on Linux even using WINE.

Some games will not work on Linux even using the Proton compatibility software.

  1. Linux software is often lacking in the visuals but has lots of options under the hood.

There is a lot of software made for Linux are made by devs who focus more on the under the hood performance than making the software GUI look pretty. So don't be put off by the looks of a lot of Linux software.

  1. Alternative to is a great website.

I highly recommend Using the Alternativeto website to (as the name implies) find alternatives to software you use on Windows.

  1. Backup's are your friend

Setup an external device be it an internal hard drive, external hard drive or NAS as a backup target for your files.

You can use Timeshift to backup the entire drive (and it can reload a chosen backup directly onto the drive), Lucky backup to sync specified folders (either one way or both ways) to your drives or as I do use both.

And backup before doing major updates.

I have Timeshift setup to backup the entire drive (including $home) to a separate internal HDD and Luckybackup set to backup my important folders to an external USB HDD.

  1. Accidents will happen

As you are learning how to use and navigate you will have accidents that will require a full reinstall, don't fear this has happened to everyone else and why you backup your files so it's an annoyance instead of the end of the world.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago
  1. Hardware stuff

If you’re upgrading your laptop, find one with an intel wifi chip. Broadcom and Atheros may work, but be prepared for some headaches.

Intel and AMD video chips are also well supported. Avoid nvidia stuff.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My tip would be to try a few distros before you settle on one. Ubuntu was it for me about seven years ago, but I used mint for a few years and am using MX with xfce now.

Also, sudo !! is pretty useful when you forget to sudo the previous command. It means "super user do the last command I just boneheadedly forgot to do that to"

[-] nestEggParrot@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also can use !! and do a space at any place to bring in last command. Not used much as you could just do an up arrow but helps if you edit around a lot and experimenting with a cli tool or command.

[-] Tayphix@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Also, !! is a shortcut for !-1 so if you want the 2nd latest command you could do !-2 and so on.

[-] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago

Honestly, one of the best things you could do is use Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu. It's a lot more new user friendly.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's doesn't want to shove snaps down your throat, so I'd say it's more everyone friendly

[-] mhz@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I second this, mint is much user friendly than the current Ubuntu.

[-] weshgo@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

do not copy paste commands you do not uderstand from shady forums in hope it will solve your problem :)

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[-] throwawayish@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just started using Linux

Welcome!

I have not tried running WINE yet but I plan on doing so soon.

Don't feel pressured in any way to use Wine. Sure; if you're in need of certain software that's only available on Windows, then feel free to engage with Wine to get said software working on your system. However, note that a lot of alternatives exist, so make sure to check them out through something like alternativeto.net before getting involved with Wine.

What are some really important basic commands I can use to start branching out into Terminal command structures and learning more about how I can edit and customize my computer?

Broad question; arguably it makes sense to start out with something like linuxjourney.com if you haven't yet. After which, you might proceed to plunge deeper into some of the subjects that have been introduced through more expansive resources. Assuming that you might prefer something like a video guide of sorts; it's worth pointing out that the videos made by the Learn Linux TV channel on YouTube are excellent. One might argue that the ArcoLinux distro might be worth exploring as a platform to learn Linux on; it's literally one of its design goals. Though, once again, you shouldn't feel pressured in any way to use a certain distro to learn Linux on. We'll delve into distros later on.

And if Cinnamon has shortfalls or weaknesses that I may run into eventually, what are some good alternative distros that I could leapfrog to eventually?

Cinnamon is just a Desktop Environment, and it happens to look and function close to how Windows does, which is one of the main reasons it is often recommended to newer users that seek a familiar experience. There's nothing necessarily wrong with Cinnamon, really. Though, it's worth pointing out that it's not one of the top dogs in the realm of Desktop Environments; those would be GNOME and KDE. Those two have put in considerable work and effort to have proper Wayland support, which we'll call the 'successor' of X11; this is a very oversimplified description and thus somewhat false, but it would be out of scope for this comment to delve deeper into this. What's worth pointing out is that Cinnamon -due to its reliance on X11- is (very likely) to be deprived of features like HDR support and superior security standards as long as they don't put in the necessary time and effort to get proper Wayland support for themselves.

In case your question was meant to ask if Ubuntu LTS is the best platform/distro to learn Linux on, then the only correct answer would be that it depends on your needs. Ubuntu is definitely a decent choice, but you're not protected from unintentionally borking your system when you try to install Steam. Jokes aside, even though Pop!_OS is only based on Ubuntu and thus I don't know for 100% sure if said bug stems from Ubuntu or Pop!_OS, it's still worth pointing out that this is not necessarily a very bad showing for Ubuntu or Pop!_OS. Unfortunately bugs happen, though it's great to have a system that might be better protected..., though unfortunately nothing comes without a cost... compromises... compromises...; moving on.

In case you're interested to explore other distros, perhaps take a look at distrochooser.de. It's not exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination, but it's decent as a first orientation. If you share your result, then we might even give our opinion on the matter based on said results. If you do end up sharing the result, consider answering the following questions as well (feel free to give non-binary answers):

  • Sane defaults or Blank slate?
  • Full control or Little to no control?
  • Secure or Convenient?
  • Tool to get work done or Tool to explore/play around?

any great tips?

You might come across a piece of software that's not available within the repo of your distro. However, if you know that it's available in another distro's repo, then perhaps you should use Distrobox (or similar container-solutions) to access said software. Refer to videos on YouTube if you're interested to know how it works, though its documentation is quite excellent as well.

[-] marionberrycore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Try a few distros before settling down - setting things up a few times is a good way to get to know the ins and outs better. Try something other than plain Ubuntu - I really enjoyed Mint and PopOS personally, both of which are forks of Ubuntu. In my first 6 months I tried around 4-5 different Ubuntu family distros, and that was such an important learning experience for me.

If you want to use wine, get bottles instead of running plain wine. The dependencies are much easier to manage, and you can run separate configurations of wine. As I know from personal experience, the sandboxing also helps prevent you fucking your computer up.

On that note, backup your stuff - set it to do it automatically daily.

Look up some terminal games - there are a few that are designed to help you learn. I don't remember the names (I'm down to track them down later if that would help), but in particular I remember an SSH-based file searching game and a folder exploration dungeon crawler themed game.

Learning commands is less useful than understanding how Linux is setup, but it'll all come together with time - just keep playing around with it and learning new things.

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[-] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not very practical, but good for understanding the OS: Everything is a file. Even your filesystem and harddrive is represented by a file (devicenode).

Back in the day, before things such as pulseaudio and equivalents became the norm, there was also such a file (it might still exist, idk) for your soundcard. By shoving the contents of a wav file directly into /dev/dsp, you could hear it as if it was played normally.

Unrelates to the above, in a terminal context it's very handy to learn the concepts of STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR, and how to manipulate these. I won't go into it here, but whenever you see a bunch of commands strung together with redirects, < > | >>, that's usually for sending the output (STDOUT) of one command somewhere else, such as to the input STDIN to another command.

[-] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Never use sudo for graphical apps. If you need admin permissions use pkexec instead. ie. pkexec gparted

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

That's one I haven't heard before. Care to elaborate? And who works you use sudo on graphical apps in the first place?

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[-] quat@lemmy.sdfeu.org 9 points 1 year ago

People will say "use this editor" or "use that window manager", but honestly it's just personal preference. There's no award for using ed to edit files, and almost anything you can do with one distro you can do with any other distro. You might get an urge to distrohop and compile the kernel, and that's fine, but imho far more useful is to learn how pipes work and what you can do with regular expressions. A tutorial for bash is always useful.

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[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a little contradictory but make use of the amazing community and don't listen too much to the community. People are really helpful but you will hear stuff like "don't use that distro" or "don't use that desktop environment" a lot just because people in the community value those things and love to fight which is the best. You have to figure out what works best for you and not someone else! Still, the community is increadably helpful and there is someone to answer basically every question you have so never be afraid to ask stuff and welcome to the endless rabbithole! ;)

[-] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My advice is to search the Internet for some good resources on how to learn the Bash programming language, or else the "POSIX shell" (which is very slightly different from Bash). This is the command line language used by most Linux distros by default. POSIX shell is a complete programming language with built-in data structures, control flow like conditionals (if statements) and loop syntax such as for and while, and function composition by way of shell pipes. Combine these with tools like find and grep and you can accomplish quite a lot with just a single line of code.

Also, I highly recommend you practice using Vi or Vim as a text editor until you get somewhat fluent. It isn't strictly required, but I recommend it simply because most people who use Linux as their daily driver also use these tools, and it helps a lot when communicating with other people in the Linux community, especially when it comes to solving problems. You want some fluency in using apps that the majority of people in your community are using. Also it is a good place to practice writing shell scripts.

Also not required, but learn a bit about Emacs as well. Learn how to use Dired (an Emacs app for working with ls output interactively), learn how to open an edit a file from Dired, learn how to run find and grep from within Emacs. Learn how to run shell commands in Emacs and capture their log output. Also learn a bit about how to use Org-mode. (Shameless plug: I have my own series of blog posts on how to do these things.) This handful of basic skills will get you a very, very long way.

I can't comment much on customizing Cinnamon, but Cinnamon uses the Gtk toolkit, and so you can use any of the good Gtk themes out there to customize Cinnamon. Check out the UnixPorn community for more in-depth advice on that topic.

[-] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Rather than Ubuntu Cinnamon, you'd be better off with Linux Mint.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

If you're typing out a long file path in the terminal you don't have to type the whole thing out, you can just press tab and it'll autocomplete for you.

So for example, if your file is called 1234567890.jpg you can just type 123 and hit tab and it'll fill in the rest. And if there's more than one file that begins with 123 it'll list them. Works for folder names too.

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[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

Switch from bash to zsh and make it look nice – https://dev.to/abdfnx/oh-my-zsh-powerlevel10k-cool-terminal-1no0 Also replace ls with exa and cat with batcat. Remember you can set aliases in ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc.

If you like customization, I'd recommend KDE. If you like customizing keyboard stuff, you can customize your keyboard layout here: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols. Also look into espanso for text expansion.

If you have an Android phone, get KDE Connect.

If you need new software, check apt search if it's in there.

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[-] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do NOT add too many third party repos, they're a pain in the ass to remove later.

Try distrobox.

[-] _e____b@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The Linux community is indeed remarkable, but the multitude of available distributions can sometimes give an impression of fragmentation. When you discover the distribution that best fits your needs, it's important to remember not to take it personally. Avoid developing a bias towards your chosen distribution as it could potentially lead to unnecessary conflicts with others who prefer different distributions within the community.

[-] xyguy@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

My big tip is if you haven't already, switch to a local package repository. There are a lot of people mirroring the software packages for mint and you can switch to one that is geographically the closest to you for better speed and to spread out the server load.

I love Linux Mint and it's what I install on all my decom-laptops turned servers. It will do pretty much all you want to do in Windows and then some. The only thing it probably isn't the absolute best for is PC gaming but if you are just using a laptop it probably doesn't make much of a difference either way.

If you like Mint then I also suggest PopOS. They are both based on Ubuntu so a lot of the paths and the package manager are the same. The killer feature there is auto-tiling Windows which is like the window snap feature in windows but happens automatically. It's not for everyone but once I started using it, it changed my entire workflow.

Last thing is, if you haven't already, familiarize yourself with running docker containers. A lot of stuff that's complicated to set up is a breeze with docker and docker-compose.

[-] generalEdo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Always have a backup and don't be afraid to break it.

[-] everett@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Just to add a bit of clarity, do be afraid of breaking your backups.

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[-] Krtek@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

With the terminal, use the option --help or view it's man pages with man (command you want to know more about) to avoid having to search the Internet just to find out how commands work. You may find the terminology of certain things strange or may not understand how certain things are described at first, but you'll have a much better understanding of how everything works when you know how to look up what exacly something does. Oh and in man use u and d to scroll up and down and /(searchword) to search, that makes looking up stuff a lot faster, press q or Ctrl-D to quit

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Edit-and-execute is very much worth learning about.

Don't try to install the best X and the best Y. Just start using what you can find, then gradually improve things as you notice becoming annoyed. Within a few years, you'll have a setup you enjoy.

[-] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 4 points 1 year ago

unshare -nc followed by a command will run that program without network access. Very useful if you're running trash in Wine

[-] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

First thing I'd do is ditch the GUI file manager: get comfortable with cd, ls, mv, rm, etc.

After that, maybe start with basic text manipulation, like grep, awk, sort, uniq, etc. This ties in nicely with IO redirection, which is essential for a "CLI based workflow." Get comfortable with pipes and file redirection, it's extremely powerful!

Writing shell scripts is another super useful exercise: any time you find yourself running the same set of commands multiple times, think about making it a shell script. You may end up with some really useful little custom tools that way.

[-] foonex@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

There‘s no reason not to use both. For some things a GUI file manager is more convenient.

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[-] 1draw4u@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Don't chmod recursively on a whole lot of files if you don't know what you are doing. Also rm is a very powerful command, be wary. Lastly, piping to grep can be very helpful.

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[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago
[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Be patient. Anytime you have to delete any system files just rename it with bak suffix. Have fun

[-] Drito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I suggest to watch the package manager commands (probably 'apt --help') and use it for your packages. Package stuff is what I use the most in the terminal.

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