PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago by concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I like the sh.itjust.works lemmy because of the name.

Also, apparently they're run with 99% renewable energy which is pretty cool.

[-] scarrexx@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

in the past 10 minutes i have had so many mixed emotions towards you.

I have come across your comments about 7 times and each time I either feel like fking you up or giving you a hug.

It's interesting how opinions of different people may differ or align depending on the context. Wars don't really matter if you think about it this way..

I propose a truce

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Fuck war, it's hell on Earth.

[-] lakv@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I propose a truce

meanwhile them, probably:

I don’t even know who you are.

[-] scarrexx@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

ikr... I'm sitting here developing a love-hate relationship with someone who is completely oblivious of my existence

[-] Rinesi@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I’ve seen his comments often too. Kind of wild lol

[-] scarrexx@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Dude is a prolific commenter

[-] quinten@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy feels as a aplha/beta product that we ar all testing right now. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I like Lemmy more then Reddit. But you cannot expect everyone to love it right now.

For Reddit its clear: you sign up, you search for a community and you subscribe.

Here, you sign up (if you don't get the spinning wheel). You search for a community. Oh, it is on another instance. What is a instance? Then you browse and see different Lemmy websites. You get confused, you heard something about Fediverse but what is it?

Also, there is no karma what important is for many users. Mod tools are extremly limited and all the apps you can use on mobile are in alpha/beta/in development.

There should be a easy to understand welcome page upon sign-up and I think this needs to be prioritized if we want to welcome (more) mainstream users. The post that explains how Lemmy works on c/lemmyworld doesn't cut it.

[-] bilboswaggings@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Karma is important? The only "use" for it is to do what? users farm it so adding karma or something similar would just make this place worse

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

it can be used to differentiate troll accounts from people that make generally liked comments
it gives users a rush and encourages participation
it can help with ranking

Now, that said, there are ways to game those things too, but that’s the concept and some of the bigger benefits.

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[-] coldhotman@nrsk.no 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

[-] Jackolantern@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why, what’s wrong with lemmy.ml? Can someone eli5 me?

My account actually lives there but I also made a lemmy world one.

[-] porkins@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities.. He apparently censors lemmy.ml with this in mind. Since it is open source though, I can trust that other instances might be better maintained. There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

[-] BenHouston@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

my signup because this all probably is going to China.

China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.

[-] Ignacio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Based

[-] slinky317@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's the beauty of the fediverse. Don't like the server? Go somewhere else.

[-] ZheSquirrel@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Oh the ml in lemmy.ml is Marxist lenonist. That makes a lot of sense actually

[-] Fisch@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You literally just made that up. I'm pretty sure they said at some point that they chose this simply cause its free.

[-] ZheSquirrel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I was wrong, and it was a guess using context clues from the post I was replying too.

I didn't "make it up", I was just incorrect.

[-] Fisch@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I just get kinda pissed off at comments like that because I've been using lemmy for like 3 years now and they've never done something wrong but now there are some people that just say stuff about them that's not even true. Your comment wasn't the first like that after all.

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism

Based

There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

Typical liberalism red scare fearmongering, lemmy has no ties to China.

[-] Vikthor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities ..

FTFY

It's funny which part of the quote you decided to omit. Tankies gonna tank, eh?

For those who haven't checked - in the linked page dessalines(Lemmy lead dev) recommends books and articles by, among others, Lenin, Stalin & Castro.

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[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OP is annoyed because lemmy.ml devs are left-leaning and don't encourage bombing muslim countries, killing gays or locking black people in areas abandoned by the government.

[-] learningduck@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin's contents, but not sharing back.

Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.

[-] rainfern@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh they're absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn't matter. We'll see.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Are we talking about the devs of Lemmy itself, or people specific to .ml?

[-] dot20@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

.ml is run by the Lemmy devs.

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[-] timothy1200@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Just out of curiosity, what did the devs do that was stupid?

[-] porkins@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The devs hold extreme political views. They are on board with the Tiananmen Square massacre being necessary and shit like that. Like this post says though, there are plenty of instances that are totally run by normal people. Additionally, the Lemmy server code is open source, so that helps to ensure that it isn’t doing anything nefarious behind-the-scenes.

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[-] timelighter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

where am I right now?

[-] Piers@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.world. Which is ONE example of a Lemmy instance. Lemmy instances don't even need to have Lemmy in the name.

Lemmy is a system that allows anyone to create what is essentially their own Reddit. Each of those are called instances. Lemmy.world is one of those, Lemmy.ml, is another, Beehaw is a third. Each of those Lemmy instances are run by different people for different reasons. Each of them have their own communities. A community is like a subreddit. The post you commented on ("PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy") was posted to the "Fediverse" community on Lemmy.world. Lemmy.ml could (and possibly does) have it's own Fediverse community. That would be separately run with separate content to the Lemmy.world Fediverse community.

Where it gets a little confusing, is that users in each of those different instances, can access and participate in the communities in each other's instances. IE, if you set up your own Lemmy instance called TimeLighter.IsCool and created a community called "Timelighter appreciation society" I could potentially join that community using my Lemmy.world account (assuming you allowed it.) I wouldn't need to create an account specifically on the TimeLighter.IsCool Lemmy to access it. If I did though I'd still (in theory) be able to use it to participate in the communities here at Lemmy.world.

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[-] oxf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

People like this are actually the best ones to have running such a project. For them it's not just a pet-project to pass time, or a small way to show their skills. It's a necessary step for them, to be able to keep their online presence.

You'd be surprised at how effective people can be, when they're doing something out of spite.

[-] ToastyWaffle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Seriously, if you don't understand the politics of the lemmy devs, you're functionally not understanding the point of lemmy. I think people believe in more socialist ideas than they've been lead to believe, especially with the rampant conflating of "leftists" in media to mix it with liberals as a tactic from the right. Lemmy is inherently political, and that's a GOOD thing.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Let's be honest. In Western Nations. People aren't taught what socialism is ever. I mean I can only honestly speak for myself and the 1980s. But all we were really taught about as far as socialism is that Commies/ML bad. Which is fair enough. Capitalists are bad too. The problem being that we were never educated in any way shape or form about other left-wing ideologies. We're to go out to the average person on the street and ask them to describe or define anarchism I can guarantee you. But most of them would have no real sense of the actual ideology and just give you some sort of reply coming down to chaos. Likewise the majority of them have no knowledge of or concept that libertarianism is a left-wing ideology. And has only been recently co-opted by the right wing to do damage in recent history. Almost every single person you ever asked about libertarianism would wrongly describe it as a right-wing ideology. And that is all on purpose. Because it behooves the wealthy to keep us uninformed.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I just had a look at Lemmy's GitHub. Of the web interface alone, the second biggest contributor only joined two weeks ago. And there are many others. Those are new developers. So in essence: lemmy.ml admins are some of the software developers and are actually now in the minority, unless I missed something very obvious.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I actually haven't seen much mention of tankies on any Lemmy except as a joking reference here or there. I'm on lemmy.ml and the signup there said explicitly that it is a free software community. The signup had no particular reference to other politics, though I have no idea what is present in the admins' minds. There is also lemmygrad.ml which is explicitly socialist.

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