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[-] Smirk@sh.itjust.works 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just in case the textbook anti-PETA rhetoric comes into the thread...

This is why people hate PETA.

Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.

Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:

Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. That's just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and "news articles" as well, so it's not always very obvious.

They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that's why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:

PETA and their kill-shelters:

PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can't adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more "hopeless" animals. See more here.

The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn't steal and murder pets):

A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer's cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn't wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That's why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html

The monkey selfie:

The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it's an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.

PETA equating milk to racism:

White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over "inferior" (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That's the reason behind their campaign on the issue.

Final thoughts (I promise):

PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.

Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I'm not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.

Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It's basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy's, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn't that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA's shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into "PETA is stealing people's pets off the streets" and Reddit gobbles it up.

The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, "PETA blasts child's bunny wedding!" But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the "journalist" reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, "we don't support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them." And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn't get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.

For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.

Info continued here if anyone is interested.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252698

Then.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252784

Then.. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2252805

[-] jefff@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this post; there's a lot of this that I didn't know, and I've always had a vague anti-PETA sentiment without really knowing why.

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What about the other side of the coin. People who run shelters and rescues who have their own (from experience) criticisms about PETA? I remember a friend of mine who ran a rescue and had to arrange night transportation for a tentatively homed animal because the PETA shelter was going to euthanize in the morning. She was fucking pissed at them. Oh, and they wouldn't stay open late for her to pick the dog up, and they wouldn't let her pick the dog up first thing in the morning when they opened.

In fact, I've had the opportunity to know a lot of people involved in volunteering/running shelters, and they are as disgusted at PETA as apparently the meat industry is. Accusations of laziness, disinterest in the well-being of individual animals, etc. I remember one of the people dealing with them tell me "I think they'd euthenize a cow to prevent me from buying a bottle of its milk".

Also, to point to the Chihuahua story (since I care about this one). Nobody who claims to care about animal welfare should be euthanizing animals on pickup because they were asked to by someone that isn't their owner. My fucking VET won't even euthanize a healthy dog, and will insist on rehoming it if the owner wants to get rid of it. As someone who has helped pick up stray animals to transport to a shelter, the disposition of the person requesting the pickup is always ignored. No, we will not put down that cat who had kittens in your wall. But we will take it away.

EDIT: Also, what about the AKC? People forget that it's not just the meat industry, but animal rescue and animal rights groups, that criticize PETA.

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What about the issues with Steve Irwin? There is also the "Got Autism?" campaign which was rather offensive?

I am sure what you are saying is true, that's why I want to know about these incidents as well to see if they are also been misrepresented.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PETA kinda sucks sometimes but their opposition are almost always bad faith neo-nazis or sheep reactionaries ignorantly parroting all their talking points because they saw the first half of a headline once and used that knee-jerk reaction as evidence of their expertise.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

PETA kinda sucks sometimes but their opposition are almost always bad faith neo-nazis or sheep reactionaries

Now that's a reasonable take lmao

[-] InputZero@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

And on the Internet of all places, I am shocked.

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[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't say their opposition is always bad faith neo-nazis, but the anti-vegan/anti-PETA movement definitely has a few bad seeds they should be burning out. There is no reason to combine ethical meat-eating with neoconservativism. It's bloody stupid.

[-] ZodiacSF1969@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao why is this comment downvoted but the one saying that most people who dislike PERA are neo-nazis is upvoted? Tells you a lot about how out of touch people on here are.

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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them.

Man that's rrrrough

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's also as often false as it is true. There is still such a massive demand for rescue dogs that people will pay a premium for them. There are foster households that are far from overfull. There are high-risk dog ranches that have room for more aggressive dogs, even human aggressive dogs.

Yes, there are times where you just cannot logicially find a match for a rescue. But there are also times where they put down a pet just miles away from someone who would foster or adopt them.

Unwanted animal euthanization rate in the US is arguably at an all-time low. And yet, PETA's euthanization rate is still high, high enough that groups like the AKC are openly criticizing them for it.

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[-] Getawombatupya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

That's why it's important to reuse the scotch fillet, backstrap, topside roast and brisket.

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[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 31 points 1 year ago

people don't even try when faking these lol

At least match the font if you're not gonna match the quality

Does it really matter? REALLY?

Professionals have standards.

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[-] Getallen@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago

PETA would never! They'd rather kill a dog.

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[-] Spudwart@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Would be if it were real

[-] rafa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Very rare W in my opinion as well

[-] bushvin@pathfinder.social 10 points 1 year ago

Technically they didn’t name the cow… Soooo…

[-] Anamana@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

They did tho

[-] Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id 2 points 1 year ago

If you ignore PETA, there is nothing they can do. Weak dog barks the loudest.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 3 points 1 year ago

They could lobby

[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

That little kid in the corner is like this:

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