Anecdotally, the vast majority of my developer buddies are gainfully employed, but a couple talented old hands who have been employed for 10+ years are struggling to find jobs.
Interesting, where are you located? US, Europe, Middle-East, Pacific?
Across the US, struggling friends are closer to the east coast of the US
Did they keep up with learning or are they looking for jobs for more niche old languages?
Hmm one is fairly standard and the other is heavily invested in scala
Normally super seniors don't have too hard of a time getting hired since they have a wealth of knowledge. When was the last time they were on the job market? They could be rusty at how to look for a job these days.
I can only speak from my own experience but the remote gamedev market seems harsh right now. Constant layoffs means the market is flooded with talent and juniors are struggling to break into the field. When I was still in college I'd see a couple of internship opportunities and junior job posts but they seem to be disappearing. Why hire a newbie when there are 50 seniors desperate for a job?
Investors are still trying to make web3 happen. Maybe about half the remote job posts utilizing Godot seem to be for some NFT/crypto game. That may just be because few people are applying, though.
I would hope things get better but nobody really knows where the trend is going. For now, I'm getting pretty comfy with freelancing and just working on a contract basis.
Thanks for your input!
EU based. This last year has been brutal. Going into this round of interviews I was super confident that I would find something within a month, judging by the previous 6 years or so. I see on LinkedIn positions for seniors with 50+ applicants, other positions with 100+ applicants. Half of the applications never even answer back and the ones that do are mostly negative.
I think that the golden age for a CS career has ended and from here on it's just downhill, with a consequent erosion of working conditions for people in tech.
Damn, that's harsh...
I'm EU based too, hopefully it will get better
Yeah this has been my experience too, I graduated a year too late >.< I've already invested so much time learning web dev, I can't give up now. But I wonder how long it will take to find anyone who'll hire me.
Thanks, at least in part to a strong perception of a bad hiring market for programmers, I've not needed to hire for the last three years.
I say perception, not to diminish those having a tough time, but because everyone in my contact list who changed jobs this year had a tough time, but wrapped their search with better pay and benefits from the role they were laid off from. (And the known numbers indicate that all the highly publicized layoffs put a fraction of a percent of a dent in the demand for programmers.)
So something fishy is going on, and it is coordinated market manipulation by the CEOs of the big employers.
The effect, is real though. My lack of need to hire this year is completely opposite of the previous decades, when I needed two or more rounds of hiring per year, to replace the folks who left for higher salaries.
So, manipulation or not, the market for programmers is probably the coldest it's been since 1980. By which, to be clear, they're changing jobs much less frequently and for mere 25% pay increases, rather than their historically frequent 50% to 200% increases.
That said, everyone predicting the end of the "programmers are hot" trend are too new at this to remember when "programmers are hot" ended forever in 1970. And in 1986, and in 2000, and in 2008.
But I heard it's real this time because anyone can write code with ~~C~~, ~~BASIC~~, ~~C templates~~, ~~Visual Basic~~, ~~now that Visual Basic for Applications is built into Excel~~, ~~Modern Code Generation Tools~~, ~~Web Frameworks~~, ~~small scripts using Microservice APIs~~, Artificial Intelligence.
AI will make it easier to write code, but that won't mean we won't need programmers because the programs are just going to grow in scope and complexity. When in human history have we gotten a great increase in productivity, but didn't we increase our demands to consume the increased output?
Exactly.
Thank you for your message!
Man I needed to hear this. Thank you! I feel you're right but there is so much doom and gloom reprting floating around in the headlines, YouTube and the internet. Trying not to get disheartened looking for my first employment as a dev.
Here in South Korea, juniors are still getting hired and people with experience get picked off really fast.
I heard the West is much worse. I'm doing a Meta E4 loop right now and heard even people who passed the interview are stuck in team matching.
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