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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

The GOP candidate had said last week that states could secede if they felt the need to do so.

Nikki Haley, fresh off her Civil War history refresher on this week’s Saturday Night Live, appeared to remember what the Constitution allowed when it comes to state secession: nothing.

Haley again walked back her comments saying states could choose if they wanted to secede from the U.S., telling CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday that she didn’t believe the Constitution afforded them that right. It came days after she told radio host Charlamagne tha God that states like Texas could “make the decisions that their people want to make.”

“According to the Constitution, they can’t,” Haley told CNN. “What I think they have the right to do is have the power to protect themselves and do all that. Texas has talked about that for a long time. The Constitution doesn’t allow for that.”

The GOP presidential candidate then tried to pivot to why Texas would consider such an option, citing Gov. Greg Abbott’s frustration with the Biden administration’s handling of the Southern border and the state’s desire to protect itself.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 119 points 9 months ago

I sure wish I got to say whatever dumb fucking shit I wanted and still got paid more than the average person who actually contributes to society.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

Be a republican. Also, start rich.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

Also you can work your way up by sucking someone's dick higher up the food chain. You could take that metaphorically, or you could go full Boebert.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

They've already said be rich but weren't explicit in saying you could also benefit from nepotism.

Nepotism is so rampant in our government people literally feel entitled to it.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

These fucktards are carrying Putin’s water. They’re actively working against America. It’s out in the open, it’s not subtle. And people actually vote for them. Bizarre.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

These same fuckers glassed half of Central America, and used us as proxies in the 80s to keep Russia out of this side of the globe. Now those same politicians are sucking Putin's dick and inviting Russia right in.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Before the enemy was communists who were trying to overthrow the rich. But Putin is one of them. Of course they welcome him.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

"I hate them commies, that's why I'm glad that former KGB guy is in charge of Russia!"

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I'd bet good money that Putin plays the same game Epstein played, just on another level.

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[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I like that the article lays out the development of federalism pre-civil war. I think the most concise description of their argument I've heard is that it's just the "Air Bud argument".

"There's no ~~rule~~ section of the constitution that says a ~~dog~~ state can't ~~play basketball~~ secede."

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

South Carolinians are just nostalgic for secession because it's the last time they were first at anything.

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, Haley is right about one thing: all government decisions here are theoretically up to the people. If there is enough of a legit consensus that a state needs to secede, then they will try to make it happen.

However, it is also true that the Constitution doesn't currently have a mechanism for that. So in order for a state to secede, all the other states need to agree on a framework for it and amend the Constitution to make that happen, or we need to rip the whole thing up and start over from scratch. So while Haley is technically correct in what she said, she left out the hardest bits.

For what it's worth, I think tearing up the whole thing is the Conservative's endgame in all this. They fetishize the founders so much that they would do anything to be the "new" Founders, and bind future Originalists to their views for hundreds of years. They've been trying to call for a new Constitutional Convention under Article V to make amendments, but that convention could also start over from scratch if enough states sign on. While there are some progressives who have embraced the Article V cause, thinking it is the best way to overturn Citizens United, most people on the Left think it is a bad, bad idea. Here is a good link describing the movement (from a liberal group that doesn't like it at all....)

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/u-s-constitution-threatened-as-article-v-convention-movement-nears-success/

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Saturday Night Live refresher?

[-] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

They had her on. The opening act had someone asking her a question, "what was the cause of the civil war again, and does it start with an s and end with lavery?". I think she said yes, and things would have gone a lot better if she answered it that way the first time.

She's skating on thin ice, if she admits to any more conservative failings she'll be a RINO for good.

[-] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 13 points 9 months ago

Someone that fucking stupid should never be allowed anywhere near a top public office.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Her competition is even dumber

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Yet another reason never to vote for the worthless republican traitors.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 9 months ago

If that's what you think flailing is. Looked like she did pretty well at not giving her own thoughts and opinions, avoiding the question, and claiming texas can't secede because of the constitution. Didn't look much like she failed at all.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Political headlines read like Pokemon battles.

At least they seem to moving on from "slammed".

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Interviewer used You Didn't Answer The Question. It's super effective!

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[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Feeling frustrated? Now you can give up* on the Constitution! (*can't actually give up on the Constitution)

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago
[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

I really don't want to see the harm that will cause millions of people. Not everyone in Texas is the same.

[-] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

As a trapped Texan, thank you for remembering the good people. It's hard even for myself to shake the "fuck em, let them find out" attitude. Honestly the morbid part of me really wants to see the day-one collapse, much as it would hurt.

But then again we all know for a fact that the Cons will find/fabricate a new bogeyman to blame for their very own actions.

[-] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

Hypothetical, obviously, but how would you feel if we let Texas secede but offered relocation assistance for folks that want to flee the state?

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I didn’t mean just Texas either.

And they are causing harm to entire states that didn’t vote Republican or vote for anyone who appointed these Supreme Court justices. Their reps are blocking bills in the legislature. Fuck them.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Texas has more people who voted against Republicans than all but 3 states: California, Florida, New York. So all those people you are telling to go starve?

Cut Texas out and inflation again goes up. Beef, Grain, Corn... More people will blame the president for it, and then we will get more Republican voters. Issue continues but the people in Texas no longer have social security, Medicare, Medicaid and the U.S. Navy/Army stepped in to secure the oil fields. Exports/imports likely stopped as punishment and the oil companies will sell to 49 states instead of 1. So the people struggle to get gas. Struggle to get to work.. and without food imported from the rest of the states, they will have food shortages outside of beef flour and corn. Electricity will fail once the people can't get to work, so the Internet is no longer useful.. The United Nations will condemn the actions of the U.S. and strain will be put further on our ties, likely further impacting our imports/exports and causing higher inflation. Texas will need help and where would they get it? They won't accept help from China, but guess who has oil and would want to help them? Russia. The U.S. would be Texas's enemy at that point... So Russia doesn't look half bad to keep the lights on and be able to get to work and pay the bills. Then the U.S. would have to pressure Russia into not helping them... Aka U.S. eventually having to go to war against Texas and forcing them into statehood to ensure no other country has access to the land within the U.S. where missiles can reach everywhere without needing to cross a massive ocean.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Not just starve, remember that when secession started in Texas they started murdering people who were against secession. They'll absolutely do it again.

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