It's cool if it's shown in the compatibility list, so we can see easily if a game is proton compatible.
I think their original intent back when Proton originally launched was to just show generic Linux compatibility on any titles if it worked with Proton and was approved by Valve. I'm not sure why they stopped doing that.
Probably they understood that they couldn’t realistically check every new and old game out there and that people could patch games themselves, so it would be kind of misleading and pointless. Just like SteamDeck now: you get the “not-compatible” warning with working games that don’t have a nice starting UX but that works just fine
They could add an optional plugin that uses protondb to get a quick overview of compatability
ProtonDB isn't a Steam product though, it's a crowdsourced community effort built and maintained by users. Steam pulling that into their official infrastructure would immediately put a ton of technical stress on the project. It would also be pushing on that boundary between a corporation supporting a community project and drafting all its volunteers as unpaid labor.
There is a decky plugin for that already tbf
I thought it always had one but then I realised I was thinking of the Protondb website
Shows you where Valve's values are. Make it work and be functional first. Think about making it pretty later. I rather like it.
Eh, as much as I like Valve and Steam, there's still many issues long after the UI revamp, focused on making steam prettier.
Is your argument that as long as you cannot fix everything, then it's shit? Or... not worth praise. Help yourself out here.
I love what Valve have done for GNU/Linux, but you have to admit that the Steam software itself is a bit of a janky mess.
Aha. Yes. It has room for improvement for sure. You should just say that instead.
I mean, the original point stands as written though. The ENTIRE friends/overlay revamp served no purpose other than looking prettier, and it’s still broken for a lot of setups. When I try to chat from overlay, it minimizes my game and opens a desktop chat window EVERY TIME. For a lot of games the overlay just doesn’t work at all. And that’s not even getting into the issues with the main interface. There’s a LOT of room for improvement.
The person I was replying to said that valve prioritizes making things work before making them pretty.
I was giving a major example of valve making something broken in terms of functionality but pretty, to replace something that was less pretty but functional.
It is usable, and to me it's fine, but I just think it's not valid praise to give to valve in general.
If the outer rings were closer together then it might look like a "V", for Valve.
Orbitals are not a laughing matter.
Let's be honest year of Linux desktop won't happen until more company's sell computer with Linux already installed most people don't install their own OS this is why Windows is so popular until that is fixed by preloading Linux on more systems I don't think it'll happen.
It’s not just that. Prebuilt computers with Linux are probably the worst way to go, because the people buying prebuilt aren’t the ones who can troubleshoot their own systems, and like it or not, Linux requires significantly more and more involved troubleshooting. Windows/MacOS have abstracted that so far away from the user that most don’t even bother and just restart, because 99% of the time that fixes the problem.
I truly don’t think Linux can ever go beyond enthusiast desktops and web browsing machines. It’s such a steep learning curve where almost everything you’ve ever learned about computers needs to be thrown out and re-learned.
Most people can't actually use Windows. What they can use (barely) is a couple applications and utilities. Put them in Linux and they still won't be able to use the system, they'll still get by with a few applications and utilities which will use the exact same paradigms. So no big difference.
Also they won't dump data in random places on the disk but only in the user's home. Which is an improvement.
And for the few that want to understand something, unlike Windows a lot of the help is built-in. The error messages make sense. There's a logic to things. All in all, Linux is easier.
This is opinion is more than old enough to drink and gamble in the states and almost as senile as my grandpa. Current iteration of windows is fucked in so many ways and I grew up on 95 then used every version after it for at least a year or two each but mostly XP, 7, and 10. Mac os I have no idea as I only ever put the time in during the time of Netscape navigator and Mac os was different back then. Modern apple UI still seems unintuitive in the sense that I have no idea how to navigate some screens while shit ass windows I can albeit begrudgingly due to m$ enshittifying everything. Linux has it's factions though and they are just as different as m$ and app£€. I'm in the 'fuck gnome my desktop is not a phone and this doesn't even feel good on a touch screen' faction.
My senile ass grandpa bets on horse races online from his kinoite desktop. Man literally can't even communicate with us any more and somehow he figured that shit out after asking me for a computer by calling it machine and calculator and electrical box thing. I'm genuinely puzzled though it's a weird case.
The more realistic cases would be my parents who use computers for work and movie piracy. I switched them after saying they will use this or pay people to fix their virus problems, and since then I have done literally nothing apart from confirm that the update notification is indeed the real one and okay to click. Even the more boneheaded in my social circle have gotten steam decks and have nothing but praise for them, even though I have a number of gripes. I do love the thing though, it's like having a shitty child and someone has to love them, and thank dog at least they aren't as ugly and deformed as the neighbor's kid 'rog ally'.
Ok, but again, that’s you. Not the average consumer. The average consumer has been using windows and/or macOS exclusively for the last 20 years. They’re familiar with how the current operating systems work, and have a large number of habits, good and bad, to unlearn.
Modern Apple UI is very intuitive imo, so we’re just going to have to disagree there.
The online betting example is a good usecase for Linux, as it’s nothing more than basic web browsing. For someone who’s computer experience is turn it on, open a webpage and never leave the browser, it works (and I mentioned that in my original comment)
The problem is for the people who need to do a little more with their computer, but still aren’t what anyone would consider tech savvy. They’re going to have a much harder time with Linux than Windows/MacOS, and that’s the only perspective they’ll ever get.
The steamdeck is a weird case. I honestly find it more of a consoleOS, which have often been unix based than a full blown Linux distro. It’s still not a desktop, at the end of the day it’s a very good game console.
Apple is the worst, most unintuitive UI in the world. It's pretty, but it is not functional. The same shit you just said about Linux applies to macOS. As soon as someone wants to do something other than the most basic shit with macOS, it won't let you, will force you to jump through hoops or will require a higher than novice knowledge and skill with computers to make it do what you want it to. But I think Linux is ever more leaning towards mass appeal without losing it's flexibility and power. Something that neither of the corporations can claim.
Just a thought:
Isn't that logo a bit weird? One proton but it looks like two electrons, and what's the extra layer around the proton?
That is neither a Proton ion or a valid atom.
I guess graphically it looks OK, but it doesn't make much sense IMO.
Edit:
It could with some leniency look like a Hydrogen anion (H-).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_anion
It immediately came to my mind.
Would be a good logo for Helium, though.
Also the size of the nucleus is exaggerated with respect to the electrons.
I guess they better should have depicted three quarks and gluons.
the size of the nucleus is exaggerated
Yes that too. 👍
I guess they better should have depicted three quarks and gluons.
Absolutely. 😀
Stop it, no one cares...making it look like something recognizable to the masses is the idea. No one cares about it looking like a real proton or electron.
What's wrong with a soft poke to the icon? It's all fun discourse if you are geeky enough. I did find their comment amusingly nitpicky and enjoyed it.
Thanks. 😀
I know that most probably don't care, but I kind of do. Not in a big way, but enough that it irks me a bit.
I'm guessing there are others with a slight streak of introvert autism OCD that feel the same way, or at least find it funny that they'd make such an erroneous logo. 😋
That said, of course I'm all for Proton getting a logo, even if it's a tad stupid.
Stop it, no one cares
On a post about the logo, I should stop commenting on the logo! Is that what you are saying? Really?
Apparently someone cares, you wrote your trash comment, that's caring too. And some upvoted my post, probably either because they found it funny, amusing, interesting or even informing.
I'm guessing your intellectual curiosity is at the low end, for sure your tolerance is.
I don't see why there shouldn't be room for an observation regarding the logo design???
Because it's a pendantic and contrarian remark that makes you look like some kind of self-indulgent prick. The fact that you can't just say "you're stupid" and had to make sure you sound intellectually superior just reaffirms my observation.
Who is or isn't intellectually superior isn't the issue here. You may find my comment pedantic, which you are entitled to.
But what do you think entitles you to ask/demand me to stop commenting my observation? When it regards the subject matter, and was all polite and only described a couple technicalities?
How do you claim to know nobody cares, and talk on their behalf, on a post that was already upvoted when you commented?
Seems to me that you are the one who has a sense of entitlement and is pedantic and a prick here.
I wrote earlier. "I’m guessing your intellectual curiosity is at the low end, for sure your tolerance is."
Seems I was spot on.
Soothly this will bring on the Year of the Linux Desktop!
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