Document From 2022 Reveals Putin’s Punishing Terms for Peace : worldnews

[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I treaty from Russia isn't worth the paper it's printed on

[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

UNSC security guarantees are, though.

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Said by someone who's country has been at war for 94% of its history.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And one which has never once in the history of man ever respected a treaty

[+] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -23 points 8 months ago

welp, hes got nukes and hes willing to use them; so theres nothing the world can do but let him. 'peace'

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Ironically, Russia's no-first-use nuclear policy was revoked by Yeltsin, who was a US tool.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

hes got nukes and hes willing to use them; so theres nothing the world can do but let him.

I too am afraid of Joe Biden

[-] stephen01king@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago

Are you serious? The only people who have threatened the use of nuclear weapons are Putin, his ministers, and Trump. What does Biden have to do with this?

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Biden has been a defender of the US first strike nuclear policy for his entire career. You can literally go watch a funny clip from an old debate where Senator Gravel (RIP) tears into Biden, Obama, and Hillary on the topic all at once. There's also a good one where they get shit on for the Iraq occupation (still ongoing btw).

[+] filoria@lemmy.ml -26 points 8 months ago

Terms seem rather agreeable and a far sight better than any peace deal that would be signed today.

Why the fuck did they not sign this? It properly codifies security guarantees from the UNSC, only properly relinquishes Crimea, leaves the LNR/DNR up to diplomacy, and makes Russian an official language along with Ukraine (which captures the fact that some 34% of Ukrainians speak Russian).

Hundreds of thousands dead and wounded, millions fled from the country, Crimea still lost, Bakhmut lost, Avdiivka lost, and for what? To "prevent another war" despite more comprehensive security guarantees from the UNSC? To "bleed the Russians dry" despite being outproduced by the sheer industrial output of Soviet-era machinery in Russia? To "stand up for sovereignty" despite clearer and clearer signs of covert US intervention during and following Euromaidan?

What a fucking mess.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 13 points 8 months ago

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[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Let's be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia's invasion in 2022?

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

No? That is exactly why I didn't enter a date in my post...

Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

[-] kookaburra@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

What’s the weather like in Moscow?

Thanks for asking, it was around +10 degrees per Celsius this afternoon, which is quite warm for this time of the year. But there is a downside as there's melting snow everywhere.

You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions? Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.

This profound analysis is a real gem of modern Western thought!

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions?

Not expanding NATO.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The terms seem agreeable?

The terms that restrict the size of the Ukrainian military, bar Ukraine from receiving foreign assistance to rebuild its military, forbid it from seeking security guarantees from any country or bloc, ... The terms that would have made it trivial for Russia to further invade at any point in the future?

Those terms seem agreeable?

[-] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

Because any state is an apparatus of violence? Regardless whether it is Ukraine or Russia?

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