Lemon asks whether Musk should take responsibility if X fails. “Doesn’t the buck stop with you?” Lemon asks. Musk replies by telling Lemon to “choose your question carefully, there’s five minutes left.”.
Lol what a baby
Watching Elon struggle to choose between admitting he's a failure, or not the big boy boss man was gold.
Musk responds that Lemon “loves censorship”
There it is, there's the tasty tasty mean-spirited irony I was looking for. I am content; I can stop paying attention to this now.
Giving some real 1984 vibes
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Free speech is I get to shut you up if you “silence” me by disagreeing
Why does this feel lie a viral marketing campaign to get people to watch stuff on X?
"I interviewed Elon, got cancelled and he mad. Watch on X". It just doesn't add up to me.
Edit: It's not on X, apparently. It's on YouTube. So I was probably a little out on this. Very clever viral marketing still, but hopefully not to the benefit of X.
The Twitter deal got canceled, so the interview was posted to YouTube instead. Which, honestly, is the better service for long form video.
Ah, apreciate the clarification.
It's not on X. But I think it's a viral marketing campaign for Don Lemon. He still sucks but he played Elon like a fiddle here.
The answer is disappointingly pedestrian, I think: it's where the clicks are. What's he supposed to do? Post it on Vimeo and ask people to support him on Patreon?
No conspiracy needed. Lemon doesn't have anywhere else to go.
Yes we know who Musk is... and it is a very mixed bag. Some where around the time he became the world's richest person I feel like something changed and he went over the top or over the edge. Not sure which.
If he had just kept his mouth shut, I might still think he was a genius (embarrassed about the "still" part 🤦♂️).
Me too, I was definetely duped by him. It's embarassing now that I see how much of a man child he is.
And a shit father, considering his resources he may just be the worst father in history.
No, that's Steve Jobs.
Yeah, Musk is a shit dad but Jobs was an abusive deadbeat dad as a billionaire.
Musk does still have time to take the lead, if he gets his kid murdered.
True, Jobs is the worst father in history so far.
Don’t be too embarrassed y’all. I am in the same boat as you, but reasonable people adjust their views and beliefs as new evidence is presented, which is exactly what we have done
I think the actual takeaway here is to not elevate people to the status of "genius" in the first place. Stop worshipping celebrities, they are only humans like the rest of us.
While your argument is correct, it was none of us that raised Musk to a 'genius' idol. It was his own marketing campaign, probably done on his behalf by a professional PR team. When the rest of us heard the amount of praises going around, we just assumed that there was some substance to it. That's until the 'pedo guy' incident started the collapse of that facade.
It was the kids in the flooded cave incident where "his invention" was deemed unusable for the rescue and he called the scuba diver that helped get the kids out a pedo. That was the big turning point for me at least. That and him making a bunch of CPAP/BIPAPS during COVID when what we needed was ventilators at the time. He's an idiot that is running on the fumes of his fans.
Man that scuba diver incident was also the turning point for me. Before that I actually thought he was involved in a lot of cool stuff and probably a positive influence but I also didn’t pay all that much attention to him.
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I feel like genocide is bigger but at a certain point it stops being a competition.
The bar for "genocide" keeps getting lower. The word is getting devalued.
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The only thing that seems to have changed is that he stopped pretending in public. Fired his PR people or something. Interviews with people who have... experienced him first hand point to his behaviour being consistent and repugnant since he was in his early 20s.
There is no mixed bag. Just the desire in people who once believed in him to pretend that they didn't enable a toxic narcissist.
I mean the first time he really did something in public was getting mad at a bunch of journalists for just tacking a little blurb about a key Tesla investor when discussing the actual ceo’s presentation at a Tesla press event, so i’m not sure that he fired his PR team so much as the less you know about him the easier it is to like him.
If all you know is that he’s a techbro that used his pile of free money to buy an EV and a rocket company it’s easier to file him under the James Cameron folder of generally inoffensive rich dude with neat hobbies.
It's mostly a result of him believing he's self-made and therefore must have some sort of superior knowledge to the rest of the world. Classic case of being born on third base and thinking you hit a home run.
The rich go insane because the people around them enable them to believe their own bullshit and set no boundaries with them. This is SUPER bad for humans psychologically and causes us to lose touch with reality. Something in our brains depends on that group consensus to affirm our concepts of self and beliefs and decisions and it loses calibration when it gets crappy feedback.
I feel like something changed
He grew up a rich white boy in full-Apartheid South Africa. He's never grown up (Tesla models S,3,X,Y! Tesla fart noises! 42069 amirite!).
Nothing changed, he just got bored and started interacting with the poor's and people noticed the person he really was.
Yeah, I agree with this. According to the only person I know that works at Tesla, he's always been an asshole and was best avoided generally speaking. But I do feel like he used to be a lot more normal-techbro-socially-inept asshole guy than today's darkly deliberate evil.
That little clip of him running outside to watch one of the early SpaceX rockets take off, all excited, I really was on his side. IDK what went wrong. I feel like maybe inside him there's still a wide-eyed nerd that just wants to make really good electric cars and go to Mars, and something went wrong and that guy got buried deep down, and maybe now he'll never get free.
He needs a submarine to his heart
Anyone involved with a rocket would want to run outside and watch it climb. That isn't uncommon. But Musk had a vile character even before that. The hopeful nerd was just a facade propped up by PR pros. You can check out the history of Tesla. Despite him being hailed as its founder, it was neither his idea, nor his creation. The real founders were pushed out rather unfairly in his signature power play. That power play is still visible in Musk vs OpenAI.
He’s a guy who wants to save the world, and in a lot of ways has the tools to save it. But only if it is him saving it
Q: Do you believe in DEI? A: I think we should judge people based on skills.
Except for himself, I guess. He seems clueless on a number of issues and unwilling to assess his own beliefs which is not a flattering quality in my book. I didn't think much of him before this interview and it only reinforced it. I am not sure I liked the interviewer much but he did bring up the right questions and follow-ups so I guess he did a good job.
I have rarely seen this man speak and after that I can only assume his fan base hasn’t seen him much either. The guy is clearly of average intelligence and a total racist piece of shit. No wonder he threw a tantrum over this interview.
He gave pathetic vibes. Sure lemon was giving "hard questions" but his response was just so pathetic. Like bruh must have expected to be treated like Trump on Newsmax.
No one looks good in this. Musk obviously much much worse, but Lemon was antagonistic and rather aggressive with his tones and questions. When he had multiple chances to respond somewhere down the middle and MAYBE get Elon to actually think about things differently, Lemon continued to be demeaning and dismissive. Lemon is confused why Elon is upset about this interview? Bullshit. Lemon went for multiple “gotcha” moments, brought lines of questioning that were meant to be direct attacks, purposefully “misunderstood” his answers when he had even somewhat salient points. Still trying to rectify the illegal immigrant thing in my own mind, have to chalk it up to Elon being misinformed about the data I guess, because that made an unfortunate amount of sense. Has to be that not an overwhelming majority of immigrants go to blue states, which actually it might be just that simple. “Blue states would lose blah blah seats in senate and electoral votes without illegals (yuck he kept saying it this way)” yeah but what about red states? Does Elon really think 100% of illegal immigrants go to blue states? Anyway my point is Lemon didn’t really respond to this point other than “you are wrong. Guess we will find out which of us is wrong.”
Still trying to rectify the illegal immigrant thing in my own mind, have to chalk it up to Elon being misinformed about the data I guess, because that made an unfortunate amount of sense.
He was (awkwardly) trying to point out Elon's hypocrisy. The US has a strong existing structural political bias towards red states, who (on average) get significantly more funding and representation per person than blue states.
If Elon was truly concerned with "unfair allocation of funds" and "unfair representation in congress", you would expect him to be upset with gerrymandering, the electoral college and other things in addition to undocumented immigration. The fact that he only speaks up when it involved majority nonwhite refugees is telling.
That said, I agree it fell flat. Also letting him claim that the "great replacement theory" is actually just about census-related funding is like saying the civil war was about states' rights.
Great points. Thank you
I think it's perfectly reasonable to respond to "demeaning and dismissive" statements by being "demeaning and dismissive." We're big fans of the paradox of intolerance around here. It's not the job of the interviewer to "think about things differently". Lemon isn't Musk's therapist. Lemon isn't obligated to do the heavy lifting of emotional labor for Musk.
Yeahhhhh except that if we really want to change hearts and minds (which if you don’t, you are just doing things for the sake of the high of self righteousness, because you don’t really care about the issue if you aren’t trying to change others’ opinions), you have to be better than them. You have to answer vitriol with level headed salient points. There is no better way to show someone what a deluded, selfish asshole they are than answering shittheadedness with calm, valid counter arguments.
Eh this is a much harder topic than you make it seem. For people like you and me, this may be the best approach to change our minds on things, but we also are the type of people to look at the facts around Musk and already come to the conclusion that he's a far-right, duplicitous manchild.
The people that flock to him and others like him, however, are not the type to respond to just the facts. They're invested emotionally into some aspect of what Musk is "selling" them. I don't know what the correct response is to try and win these people over to reality, but calm, reasoned responses to the monkey throwing its shit around the interview room isn't how you win over the people on the monkey's side. They already know he throws his shit around and they like it
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Lemon asks Musk about his comments on illegal immigration and the far-right “great replacement theory” and then turns to the topic of content moderation.
Lemon asks whether better content moderation on X would let Musk avoid some of the criticism of his posts about the great replacement theory.
The interview also goes over Musk’s disagreement with companies’ diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) policies as well as his views on racism.
Things get more heated at the very end of the interview, when Lemon mentions Musk’s statement that advertisers could “kill” X with an ad boycott.
Musk says he uses ketamine, which is a dissociative anesthetic, once in a while when he gets into a “negative sort of chemical mindset.” He also says he met with Trump but denied rumors that the former president asked for a donation for his political campaign.
Lemon, a former host on CNN, was supposed to debut new episodes of his show on X as part of a deal he struck with the platform earlier this year.
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Isn't there some merit to SpaceX, though? Or isn't there?
Yes, but at the end of the day SpaceX is the work of tens of thousands of people, not just the guy who provides a pile of money in exchange for constantly forcing the engineering teams to do stupid stuff if they can’t explain why not at an eighth grade level.
Like everything else concerning that moron Musk, I won’t be wasting my time.
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