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[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 7 months ago

Polling conducted by the European Council on Foreign Relations in January in 12 countries suggested that only 10 per cent of voters think Ukraine can win. Some 37 per cent thought that a compromise was most likely and 19.5 per cent thought that Russia would win in the end.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 7 months ago

Archived link: https://archive.is/0RARy

It's hard to tell with these people. He seems to be appealing to the readers racism under a thin veil of righteousness to manufacture consent for more weapon aid which won't help Ukraine nearly as much as it would the western MIC. Does Russia even want to take Kyiv? At the moment it doesn't look like it to me but depending on the nature of whatever rabid escalation USA and its European thralls do in the future things could change.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

The funniest part for me was the framing that the west isn't supplying more weapons simply cause there's a lack of will to do so. These people still don't understand that there aren't weapons to send.

[-] LeniX@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Perhaps they do, but they want the audience to think otherwise. The reason is obvious: even if the weapons aren't there and there's no industrial capacity to produce them in adequate quantities - MIC contractors can squeeze the most out of the situation.

[-] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 7 months ago

You gotta think outside the box. There's more than 7,000 bricks in a typical Western European house. All you need is for the MIC to bolt some fins on and design (and build and sell) a launch system and the war could go on. Europeans just aren't willing to sacrifice hard enough.

[-] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago

I think Russia definitely wanted to take it really early on. However, at this point, it would seem that simply holding onto Eastern Ukraine looks like the most coherent option, as it is majority Russian speaking and don't seem to be really bothered that they are under Russian control.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 7 months ago

Funnily enough, the fall of Kiev was (before war) and again is discussed by western media, but their running lib dogs constantly projects myths about 3 days offensive to Putin.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's really easy to say your adversary is failing to achieve their objectives when you just make them up. My favorite part is that when you ask libs to quote Russians saying this was an objective, they tell you that you can't trust what Russians are saying. 🙃

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Trying to skin the beaver before it is caught, no? Even Odessa is yet to fall

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

I imagine once the breaking point comes where the army can no longer function effectively then pretty much all of Ukraine will fall at once.

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