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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 83 points 7 months ago

The problem is that with that line of thinking, just about nowhere on the planet has a right to exist.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 118 points 7 months ago

No country or government has a "right" to exist. They're given that ability to exist by the people they're supposed to serve. If the system is not serving the people, it shouldn't exist.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Supreme executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical electoral ceremony.

If I declared myself chancellor because a bunch of my friends voted for me they'd put me a way.

[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 17 points 7 months ago

What if some watery tart threw a sword at you?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago

That depends. How watery are we talking?

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago
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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago

Agreed. The United States is doing a piss-poor job serving the people, and while that may be due how the country was shaped during colonialism, it is not due to its ongoing colonialism. It's a totally different situation than Israel.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

For established states like the US, it's more due to neocolonialism now

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[-] RAM@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 7 months ago

A world without borders sounds like a dream 😍

[-] Milksteaks@midwest.social 27 points 7 months ago

I was watching the falcon and winter soldier and I was thinking the flag smashers had a good point and were doing good for the world. They wanted no borders and no more nationalism. At one point they randomly had the flagsmashers kill some innocents to make them the antagonists

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[-] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
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[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

Big difference between nowhere and no state.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

You're beginning to get the point of anarchism.

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[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

It's the state that has no right to exist, not the people or the place.

Now what is a state?

Look it up, but it's basically a formalized group of people who believe themselves entitled to power and claim they can use violence to get their way and you are not allowed to defend yourself against it.

The state is a cultural pandemic, this is the real mind virus, our species existed for like 200,000 years in complex societies without the state, 500 years with ubiquitous state (look up enclosure acts that forced everyone into a state) is all it's taken to destroy the entire planet.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago

Now you're getting it

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

They have the "right" to exist but no mandate to exist. They're allowed to exist and just as allowed to collapse and dissolve

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[-] z00s@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As an Australian I sometimes wonder what this place would be like if there hadn't been genocide and institutional racism for 200 years.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago
[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

What makes you think it isn't already emu supremacy? Check the outcome of the emu war. They built bigger fences.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 30 points 7 months ago

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Fuck off with this racist, xenophobic shit.

Apparently decolonization is xenophobic.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I recently got banned from !Playstation@Lemmy.zip because I called out the moderator for crying about black people in God of War. The reason given? Racism, apparently, for telling the mod to stop being racist.

They deleted their account and locked the community, lol

Edit: to add on, a hexbear user saw that I got banned for "racism" after calling out the racist mod, and they also got banned, lmao. It's really funny, the mod edited their post and pretended they were a victim for "being called a bigot for standing against DEI in video games."

Such reactionary bullshit.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago

I mean, racism was technically the reason you got banned. Just not your racism lol

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Average PlayStation user, tbh.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Yea, unfortunately, but it was strange seeing such a Reddit moment on Lemmy

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Remember to report problem content even if you get banned for it. The reports go to all relevant parties; the mods of the community, (who are going to be in bad faith and will likely laugh at your report) but more importantly the admins of both your and their instance. If the home instance does nothing it will signal to your instance that the admins are supporting that kind of behavior which can kick off diplomacy efforts.

The threat of defederation keeps instances accountable, as even a bad faith instance wants to retain their audience.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 17 points 7 months ago

Look down at our planet from the heavens above

See it as it is, see it as it is.

No borders or banks. No wars or tanks.

No nations. No nations!

- "Fighting Song" by Outernational featuring Tom Morello

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago
[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago

How beautiful is the north Korean sky? I bet it's unmatched

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I've never thought about that. It's probably pretty good

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[-] NIB@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You might think that no country has any right to exist but that belief wont protect you from someone who thinks their country should control the entire world.

Nationalism is a basic and maybe outdated mechanism that protects against foreign invasions. You need to understand its purpose and function if you want to abolish it. At some point, i think everyone would agree that some populations share certain moral values and priorities. And those values deserve to be defended.

You can call those values "Germany" or "EU" or "Europe" or "lemmy" or "lgbtq people of earth and nearby planets", but in the end you will have an entity that encapsulates values that are worth being defended. I dont give a fuck about my country and i wish daily that somehow it gets nuked out of existence. But fuck anyone who wants to take it over by force.

Why is all this important? We are entering an age where information warfare is crucial. If an entity can shield its population from enemy informational warfare(great firewall of China) while being free to use informational warfare against its enemies(tik tok or any social media), then you(in the West) will just become a useful idiot.

The enemy is trying to persuade that a thing is bad(countries/nationalism), while at the same time is preaching how great that same thing is on his own population. When the shit hits the fan, which side do you think will win? The one who thinks that nations are bullshit and no war is justified, or the country which thinks that its nation is the greatest and war is a moral necessity in order to "liberate" the rest of the world?

This is nothing new. Japanese imperialism was disguised as anti-western/anti-imperialistic. Japan was the sign that asian people can be equal/superior to europeans and they just wanted to spread their values and liberate other asian nations from the european/american shackles. You dont need to be a historian to realize how utterly bullshit this lie was. The germans did the same with the whole "honorary aryan" thing.

TLDR : Ask yourself, if you apply your belief, will the rest of the world follow? If not, who benefits from you applying your beliefs? Sometimes it is fine to have noble beliefs and realizing that they arent realistically applicable to the current world.

I'll have to remind the French and British settlers that died hundreds of years ago to knock it off the next time I see them.

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Dig up their bones and send them to the British Museum

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Sure, no state has a right to exist. Rights don't really exist either, for that matter. The issue with Israel isn't just being a colonist state, though. NZ is a colonial state. Awful things happened and continue to happen due to NZ colonisation. There is a pretty stark difference between race relations in NZ and Israel, however. When people rail against Israel it isn't solely on the basis of colonisation

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