50,000 "Uninstructed" Wisconsin Voters Send Biden Clear Message to End Genocide (inthesetimes.com)

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

You know what? Fuck this election. We should be demanding better, moral candidates. I can't believe the choice is Wannabe Dictator/Guinness World Record Holder of Fraud Cases vs a zionist that is actively enabling genocide.

Fucken pack it up this is a failure.

[-] Milksteaks@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago

If I was Biden I'd be shittin my britches right about now. He only won WI by 20k votes in 2020. This along with Michigans 100k uncommitted votes could see another Trump presidency. If he doesnt stop sending arms and aid to Israel and start sanctioning them instead swing states are most likely going Trump

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

Honestly, I get the sentiment. But shouldn’t we as a country be shitting our britches?

I’m sure Biden will be disappointed if he loses the election, but a Trump win has much more implication for the rest of us than it does Biden.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

70,000 people voted for Haley, even though she’s dropped out weeks ago.

That’s 20k more than the protest voters against Biden.

It’s still a concern, and Isreal still needs to stop, but some percentage of these both these protest voters are going to vote very differently in the general. It’s gonna be close, but not voting for Biden will fuck up Gaza and the rest of our world far more than voting for him.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago

Fuck Israel.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Is there redemption after funding and enabling genocide? Like, after enabling it so long... shouldn't the message me something more strong?

[+] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world -18 points 7 months ago

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

What do you think should be done then?

[+] APassenger@lemmy.world -8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well... posting yet another article about Biden not being good enough (and we have peoe who do it like it's their job) isn't helping.

It's just not. It's way single minded and not only is it not helping, it's hurting.

We have options. You have options. Complaining...? On lemmy??!? No. That's not changing Biden's mind. Its reaching all 100 people who see these things.

And it's not our job to tell people with the maturity dwarfed by juveniles how the system works.

This is not organizing. This is just draining and wasting energy. Use your energy for communication. Whinging like all that we see here? Isn't effective communication.

But articles are what we must post. Not get out the vote, not how to move things left... We post click bait anger inducing, energy draining things.

We need something different.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I'm an organizer. I want to be in an online leftist space where I can support the causes I care about in a casual way. I want to read these articles in my spare time, so I can be a better organizer when I move to my next campaign. No one is seriously organizing on lemmy.

Not only that, but the point of these actions are to pressure the status quo. It's hard to do that without getting published. If lemmy is too small to affect change positively, then how is it so big that it will affect change negatively?

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

How many articles stating the same thing will we need to push so you feel casually informed?

Where are the articles and links to what's being done to change things in a way that still ensures we don't slip into Trump ville?

Because those are Not being posted.

I want the country to move basically about to where Sanders is. But I don't see any of that in these articles.

I'll note that one of the left-most Congress people, Sanders, is clear we should vote Biden in the general, despite his failings.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Well then post them! Be the change you want to see

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

No. The people who have all that grievance and time... They can do that as a show that they're trying to be part of the solution.

Or... They can keep actively working to suppress voter turn out or enthusiasm for other genuinely good candidates. Because all they're pushing is negative press.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

You clearly don't care enough about it if you're only willing to complain and not be the change you expect out of others.

The people who have all that grievance and time... They can do that as a show that they're trying to be part of the solution.

It probably takes less to post an article that supports the point you want to make than it does to get into whiney slap fights in the comments, and that's definitely going to be more productive too.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

I'm doing one better than them: providing a positive step/solution towards improvement.

What's the point of being in a community when it's always a couple people screaming their discontent? They're getting down voted beyond 0 often, yet they persist?

It means the community has spoken and maybe it's time for someone to step in. If posters can't not just neg all over a community, someone should step in.

It looks odd that no one has.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

So, make your own lemmy instance so you can moderate it.

People are allowed to express their discontent with Biden. Even if it costs 'us' the election.

If you feel there should be more positive Biden stories, post them. You'll have my upvotes.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

People are allowed to express their discontent

Generalizing your statement a bit and hoping that's okay. Because I agree generally and specifically.

They are allowed. And I am. And you are. Now we're both hypocrites.

We all disapprove. My point isn't that they shouldn't have the opinion, it's that it seems like they're stopping there.

And by pushing the same incomplete typically negative narrative, it's not helping. It's wallowing. It's feeling as an endpoint.

There is no community to create for people who want to see people who need a community create one.

There is a place for saying, "okay, cool. What now?"

So far, it's mostly complaint. No call to action. It's as if the feeling is the point. And that seems odd.

The main call to action has been to not vote for Biden. There has been that one.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I'm doing one better than them: providing a positive step/solution towards improvement.

If that's how you justify your inaction to yourself, so be it. But everyone can see through that justification for what it really is; classic internet complaining about the content other people post with no willingness to change the community outside of dictating to others what should be done.

What's the point of being in a community when it's always a couple people screaming their discontent and refusing to do anything meaningful to change it?

FTFY.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I agree. If they have this much anger about it, I'd think they'd do something.

As humans, I think, we evolved feelings and emotions because they inform what we do. Ideally. If we sit in the feeling, we're not gaining value. Some feelings (like grief).. there's less a person can do.

But anger, frustration, love, sympathy, all these things, I'd think, are best when they lead us somewhere. Especially if it's productive (which requires other brain systems).

We can do better.

There's no community to create for people who wish people who need a community had one.

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