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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 145 points 5 months ago

Tesla has no press office and has not rebutted the news, but Musk took to his social network to declare that "Reuters is dying," then in another post claimed that "Reuters is lying (again)."

Fucking embarrassing.

[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 85 points 5 months ago

This is an easy test. If Reuters is lying, that means the Model 2 is still in development. Prove that Reuters is lying, Elon. you are uniquely positioned to be able to do that.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago

Best he can do is be an insufferable jackass.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago

Shouldn't be a big deal: Why would anyone still buy a Tesla at this point? If someone is going to buy a car they probably don't want something with garbage build quality and shitty support.

Those Volvos are looking kinda good though...

[-] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 months ago

There are some people who really love their teslas. They don't have any models that fit what I want so I ignore them.

[-] Dr_Nik@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sorry, I know this is controversial and I'll probably get down voted to hell, but I love my model Y Tesla and I think the full self driving is amazing (I didn't pay for it, there's a free trial this month). Musk is an idiot and an asshole but there's a lot more people working at Tesla that made some amazing vehicles.

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Just to be clear, "Full Self Driving" is the marketing name for the product. You are instructed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and Tesla accepts no responsibility at all if it screws up (unlike Mercedes, who takes responsibility for their level 3 autonomous driving service).

And for other people who happen to read this, the only reason Tesla may seem ahead with their technology is that they just don't care about safety. Tesla won't have a safe product until they actually accept responsibility for their product's failings.

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Their infotainment system and app are pretty great compared to some other brands.

I'm currently driving a VW id5 and it's like they've never designed any kind of software interfaces at all. Example:

  • the VW app can tell me the car is unlocked, but can't lock it for me.
  • it can't show me the VIN number, even though I had to use it to register it ( it was hidden in my user profile on the site somewhere )
  • I can let it pre-heat and such, but only on two schedules .
  • can't schedule appointments through the app
  • that weird sliding thingy for switching between speed limiter and cruise control is unintuitive AF
  • every other time I'm driving it's giving me a pop up saying "there are new updated user settings for your account". With only an ok and a cancel button. Where are they? What are they? Where can I find them? Did clicking"ok" accept them? Not a clue. When does it show this message that blocks the rest of the UI? After 1 minute of driving.

Not to hate on VW engineers but goddamnit guys. Get your shit together and hire a UX expert. Shortly drove a BMW 1 series before the VW and the infotainment was a lot more practical to use.

[-] Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

I really don't get why automotive electronics makers are allergic to having a proper UX team, other than no one else in the industry has one either so it's not a competitive disadvantage.

[-] wirehead@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

My suspicion is that it's because the shots are called by people who worked their way up doing automotive electronics. As in the microcontrollers inside of engine control units. So UX is kinda foreign.

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[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Judging by the amount of Teslas I encounter in traffic it seems like there's plenty of reasons for people to buy one. It's a highly desired car. This anti-Tesla/Elon attitude isn't particularly common outside social media.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

It's anecdotal, but I know a couple Tesla owners and they both have bitched about the range, quality control, and bad service.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

Counter anecdote: the Tesla owner I know says it's the nicest car they've ever been in.

I'd have to learn about QA/QC industry standards for an auto maker of similar size and then look at actual date about Tesla if I wanted to say something meaningful.

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[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 49 points 5 months ago

Nah, it's coming right after the 2020 roadster

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 months ago

We just got the 2019 cyber truck, so we’re only a decade or so away from the roadster.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 5 months ago

And we'll get the 2017 robotaxi in August!

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[-] korny@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

Scrapped my plans to buy a Tesla a while ago!

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

They can't make a good car at triple the price. Why would anyone buy this one?

[-] RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don’t think that’s how Tesla owners feel. 🤔 I think most are pretty happy. (Me included)

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Hopefully yours doesn't have body panel gaps you can see from part way across the parking lot. A couple doctors at the surgery center I was at had Teslas, and one of them was pretty unhappy with the build quality on the one he got.

[-] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My dad is pretty unhappy with his Mercedes EQS which costs significantly more than the model S, it also had issues with loose interior trim and panel gaps. And despite the fairly high price point its still riddled with shitty plastic interior. It kind of feels like all manufacturers are rushing stuff out the door at the cost of QC.

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[-] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

What are your feelings on the racist lunatic running the company?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Personally I was shopping Tesla Model Y vs Chevy Blazer. At a glance, this seems to fall right in with what you’re saying but the reality was very different.

  • Tesla started off with an advantage by actually being available
  • even when Blazer was released, as a new model, it had much worse quality issues, very little availability, and huge markups
  • Tesla was a mature model, with no quality issues
  • Tesla was much less expensive
  • Tesla was rated 100 miles more range
  • Tesla is much more efficient
  • Tesla has an outstanding charging network
  • Tesla has a much easier purchasing process, with fewer middlemen to scam profits
  • Tesla software and automation is on a whole different level

The decision really wasn’t close

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Hey, I'm happy you're happy. But Tesla absolutely still has quality control issues.

[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Regarding the sales process: in Tesla's early days, they received an exception to the requirement for needing to use dealerships. Generally this is very shady and is outright unfair towards other car manufacturers—even Rivian didn't get this same special treatment because lawmakers saw how Tesla abused it.

Tesla's growing monopoly on charging networks isn't something to be proud of, in my opinion, and neither is their proprietary charging cable. We need open standards.

Also, Tesla's mileage estimates are notoriously exaggerated. Perhaps technically you can get the claimed range if the entire trip is downhill…

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  • why is wanting to sell direct shady? You may have reasons to think this particular situation is, but the model is not inherently shady. Meanwhile car sales from dealerships have a long standing and well deserved reputation for shadiness. Surely not all are, but the sales model encourages it. Many of us dread dealing with a dealer after experiencing shady sales practices, so are happy to try a different model and see if it will be different. Certainly this was one of the only car purchases I’ve had where I didn’t feel dirty and abused.
  • Tesla’s chargers are standard. Sure, they had to create their own since there was no standard at the time, but last year their cable and connector was accepted as a standard in the US and adopted by the majority of manufacturers
  • There is no monopoly on chargers, there is only Tesla installing more than everyone else, and making sure they work. Now that most manufacturers are adopting that standard, their vehicles are becoming welcome on Tesla’s network
  • while you’re right that I don’t get the range that was on the sticker for my Tesla, this is “normal”: my old Civic got 12mpg, my old Subaru got 21mpg, yet both were rated over 30. How you use it makes a huge difference
[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

It would be better if direct sales were allowed, but unfortunately dealerships are required by law in almost all US states. The shady bit is how Tesla got one of the few exceptions and continues to be exempt despite being among the leading car manufacturers in the USA. All other leading manufacturers are required by state laws to sell their vehicles through dealerships.

Tesla's NCAS chargers only began to allow non-Teslas to use it from 2019, so this is kind of recent history in terms of car ownership and network coverage.

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 points 5 months ago

Also, Tesla’s mileage estimates are notoriously exaggerated.

To be honest, this is like the ones from every other car, both EV and ICE.

[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

That hasn't been my experience, but perhaps regulations are stricter in the EU.

[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

EU uses the WLTP method of testing range and its way more optimistic that the process we use in the USA.

[-] LouSpooner@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I've driven 120k miles on my Tesla, and have a different observation on range and efficiency. Even with sub-optimal winter tires and roof rack rails, I can still attain rated efficiency. It does require appropriate temperatures and speeds though, more sensitive to that than ICE cars in my experience. 80k miles in a Chevy Bolt demonstrated about the same tendencies.

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[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 23 points 5 months ago

They can't figure out what quality assurance checks they can cut further?

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

The model is delayed because they haven't finished replacing the steering wheel with a touch screen.

[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago

For all the infallible saints and self-righteous pontificators in the comment section, it's okay to want Tesla to be successful and and make better cars, and also not want Elon Musk in charge of it.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

Electric cars are for saving the auto industry, not the planet. End car dependency.

[-] Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago

Don't have compete with BYD if you don't allow them to be competition in the US.

[-] autotldr 5 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Tesla has abandoned plans to develop an affordable electric Model 2, according to a report in Reuters.

The news organization says it has reviewed company messages that say the affordable Model 2, which Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed would sell for $25,000 or less, has been axed.

Then, this March, Musk told Tesla workers that the Model 2 would go into production at the company's factory in Berlin.

In light of this news, that statement certainly raises eyebrows—Reuters reports that one of its three unnamed sources told it that the decision to scrap the Model 2 was made in late February.

Instead, Musk is allegedly "all in on robotaxi," Tesla's plan to create an autonomous driving system that could allow its cars to compete with Uber or Lyft without a driver in the equation.

Earlier this week, Tesla posted its worst delivery results since 2020, with an 8.5 percent drop in deliveries year over year and yet another quarter of overproduction that has left the electric carmaker with nearly 150,000 vehicles produced but unsold.


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