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U.S. House Vote Narrowly Allows Rampant Abuses of Warrantless Spying Authority to Continue (US focused) (cdt.org)

submitted 7 months ago by thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org to c/politics@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/15271710

Not a good result. The good amendment to add a warrant requirement failed on a tie vote; bad amendments to expand the scope of warrantless wiretapping passed. Next step: a Senate vote.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

If they expect me to take the Constitution seriously they'll need to do the same.

What a joke of a country.

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

"All men are created equal"

Is slave state

always has been.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.cafe 5 points 7 months ago

Brought to us by the same people saying we need to protect democracy

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

Republicans don't say that and they control the house

Get a clue or a brain.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 months ago

I'm talking about Democrats

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

And many of those votes in favor also claim we need to save Democracy

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Here’s your privacy friendly reminder that the government is currently incapable of decrypting end-to-end encrypted (E2EE) transmissions like iMessage, FaceTime, Signal, Viber, Telegram, WhatsApp, Protonmail, etc.

[+] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -9 points 7 months ago

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act establishes procedures for the surveillance and collection of foreign intelligence on domestic soil. If foreign agents are using communications signals to communicate with someone in the US, the government must go to the FISA court and obtain a warrant for surveillance. This is how we found out about Trump Jr. Contact with Russian agents. Catches a lot of spies. On the whole, better to have than not

[-] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 7 months ago

The FBI routinely uses its authority under FISA Section 702 to get information on Americans without a warrant, ignoring the processes that are supposed to be put in place to protect people. This has nothing to do with the FISA Title III authority that was used to get information about Carter Page, no matter what you and Trump think. If you warrantless surveillance of Americans is good, then by all means you should indeed be cheering this vote -- because they extended the scope of what information they can get at without a warrant.

If on the other hand you think civil liberties are worth protecting, then you might take a moment to stop to think that there was bipartisan support, including progressive Democrats, for introducing reforms like a warrant requirement while still keeping the ability to surveil foreign agents in place. But opinions differ, there are plenty of people in both parties who don't think civil liberties are worth protecting, so if you're one of them you've got a lot of company.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

The FISA court provides warrants, it's what they do. If I was a legal compliance officer at a Telcom, I wouldn't move my ass for anything but a warrant. A tap without a warrant is illegal and puts the operating company in jeopardy.

[-] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 7 months ago

From the article:

FISA 702 warrantless surveillance purports to target only foreign subjects, but in practice sweeps in a huge amount of Americans’ communications. This allows intelligence agencies to exploit a backdoor search loophole: the FBI, CIA, and NSA conduct “U.S. person queries” of FISA 702 records to deliberately pull up Americans’ private messages, all without a warrant or any court approval. This loophole has led to systemic abuse, involving thousands of improper queries each year, including those directed at protesters, campaign donors, journalists, lawmakers, and — in one case — the online dating matches of an analyst.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

OK. There are no laws against the NSA picking up.foreign communications. In fact, that's the reason they exist. So they monitor a phone call originating from Moscow, say, of a person they find of interest. All of a sudden, that guy makes a call to someone in the US. Should the NSA simply hang up and not find out what it's all about due to a lack of warrant? Also, the technology doesn't make that immediately possible.

The courts have decided that text messages, as well as mobile tracking, do not need lawful warrants. Usually you don't apply for a warrant when you don't need one.

BTW, phone records are actually operating company business records. You don't own them.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Should the NSA simply hang up and not find out what it’s all about due to a lack of warrant?

Yes.

There, that was easy.

[-] dariusj18@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Lotta people just don't understand this.

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