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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 89 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I hate when companies say they're "forced" to do layoffs. Elon could easily pay six figure salaries to 14,000 people for over a decade before he noticed even the slightest change to his net worth. What they really mean is that by upending the lives of 14,000 families, they're hoping to get a temporary bump in the stock price this quarter so they can buy another yacht.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Avoid Musk at all costs.

It would be embarassing to drive a Tesla today, especially for the demographic that would buy these EVs.

You see one driving and you know the driver is a uninformed douchebag.

[-] pelotron@midwest.social 20 points 8 months ago

TBF they could have bought it before we knew he was crazy.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 8 months ago

15th July 2018

That's when Musk called a diver who'd just rescued a bunch of kids, a paedophile after he showed up his magical cave diving robot that wouldn't fit in the cave.

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 months ago

Engineers have been calling him out for a decade, it’s just people told us “shut up, nerd! Elon is smarter than all of you! You are just jealous!”

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It was honestly hard to parse how disgruntled workers from legitimate complainants. The diver comment was his Mask Off moment.

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[-] BongsForJesus@lemmy.wtf 40 points 8 months ago

While we don’t have an exact percentage, “more than 10%” means at least 14,000 employees will be laid off

Surprisingly I thought it would be a bigger number.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Rumors are 20% actually.

There are numerous topics over on Reddit talking about "laid off this morning". There was no warning, they just got fired over the weekend.

What looks bad is the absolute urgency and callousness of this event. In fact, there are various laws at the state level (ex: California's WARN laws: https://edd.ca.gov/en/jobs_and_training/layoff_services_warn), that require 60-days notice before a mass firing. So this "weekend layoff" is straight up illegal in some areas of the country.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

Business have a ton of precedent these last few years that following laws isn't cost effective. The fine is far cheaper.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The "fine" is backpay for all the employees for months.

Its cheaper to not pay lawyers and just do the right thing, rather than fight it and backpay all of the laid off workers anyway. WARN laws are serious, and have serious precedent. You ain't gonna win vs them in court.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Collect interest on the pay they withhold, pay out eventually and probably still come out ahead. If the fine is just paying what's owed, that's not a fine that's simply restitution. I don't know anything about WARN but i have seen week of layoffs, no notice layoffs, no notice furloughs and a plethora of other, probably illegal shit in upstate NY in a lot of mfg facilities.

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

That's never deterred Musk

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 7 points 8 months ago

Usually you just tell them they are employed for 60 more days but are not required to come to work or do any work. Are the people on Reddit saying they are getting no more pay?

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I don't think that law means what you think it means. They can just give you 60 days severance, they are not required to have you keep working.

Also, I would not be surprised if they extensively use contractors, which don't have the same protections.

Then again, this is Musk, who reneged on his Twitter severance plans and got sued. So he very well could be trying to pull some bullshit again.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don’t think that law means what you think it means. They can just give you 60 days severance, they are not required to have you keep working.

These aren't programmers where severance is better (you don't want a toxic programmer messing up your codebase). These are factory workers who would have been productive if they kept working.

IE: This is a stealth factory idle. Likely because of how much the sales have dropped for Tesla. This is IMO very bad news for what Tesla expects in the near future for their sales / revenues / profits.

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[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But didn't you hear they're rolling out robo taxis by August 🙉

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 12 points 8 months ago

"We have full self driving TODAY, this is something we can do TODAY!" - Elon Musk 2017

Still isn't here in 2024...

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

there's nobody left to buy him out so he's finally going to have to figure out what step 2 is

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

Beginning of the end.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That should be useful for the UAW's effort to organize Tesla in the US.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Another bump on the way down that is leaving Elmo in place.

Tesla board, wake up.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

If not for Elon, I probably would have ended up with a Tesla for my recent EV purchase.

I feel sorry for these workers. I wish Elon wasn't such a piece of shit.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Folks waking up to the ugliness

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 8 points 8 months ago

If you work for Musk or Bezos, you have to know your job is not secure.

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