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[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

At least John Oliver has done some nice pieces about trans people I guess?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 2 years ago

John oliver did a segment about blackmailing a few republican senators. His show is deeply anti-corruption and the writers are as terminally online as I am.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes, he has quite some good videos that critic the current system but he is by no means on the revolutionary left

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

John Oliver is doing a hell of a lot more to help than internet self-styled "revolutionary leftists" are.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago

I don't disagree on that. He has quite an audience and therefore influence and budget to do stuff and he does great stuff. Many Social Democrats can learn from him. I don't criticize him but at the end of the day he's a Left Liberal which is my favorite kind of liberal. But he won't fundamentally change the system.

I have a different perspective on him since I live in Europe. Many things he wants are no brainers for me (like universal healthcare, how is that not normal in a rich country). Still I live in a liberal, capitalist democracy just like the US, just degrees better.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He doesn’t seem like a total shitlib, unlike the other three. He seems like the perfect guy to make libs think a bit farther than they otherwise would, and I can’t exactly fault him for that.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

True. He is (or can be) part of the pipeline to the left

[–] Jediotty@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

IIRC he said Universal health care is like the only option. I could be wrong but from what I remember

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I will not rest until this country fully accepts Lockheed Socialism

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes yes we must nationalize Lockheed I agree

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

1: Nationalize it

2: Retrain its workers and give them jobs more beneficial to humanity and then

3: Dismantle it

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nice username Mr xxxSexMan69xxx

[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you have 69 in your username, you are either 54 or 12. I do not believe OP is 54.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

No 12 year old is bringing up Sorkin’s The West Wing.

[–] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It was coming right for us!

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago

Not the revolution we need but the revolution we get

[–] duxbellorum@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Is this a whole personality?”

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

No, it's something you carry inside you. You know, values.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Jesus fucking Christ.

At least John Oliver is kinda alright.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Seems like this community really despises Vaush for no fucking reason huh

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wouldn't say "no reason".

I'm not gonna do a whole Vaush teardown here, but it's amazing how he always seems to align himself against a lot of the other leftist YouTubers I have watched and respected for years.

His obsessive need to tout his "rightness" on all matters is extremely abrasive and off-putting. He likes to cite diversity of tactics as a reason for engaging in debate the way he does, but then also doesn't respect anyone that can't debate their position. I've read a lot of philosophy and political commentary over the years, I know what I believe, but if you put me up against him I'd crumble on the spot. I couldn't debate to save my life, it's a particular skill. Watching him angrily yell at other leftists is not furthering the points he thinks it is.

Being able to win a debate doesn't make you right, and losing one doesn't make you wrong. He's just another pig in the mud.

[–] faceless@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

nah I hate vaush cause he fucks horses and says the n word

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

Spoken like a true fan 😌

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You know the leftist he "alligns himself against" attack him first in 99% of the cases right

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

Great breakdown on why even if Vaush wasn't a piece of shit (he is) his debate format is inherently problematic. Ben Shapiro can win debates, I used to copy his style when I was in debate class. Not completely, but definitely used the speaking at a weirdly fast pace to make it hard to follow

[–] BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Vaush is a fucking dolt.

[–] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Vaush, a leftist streamer. He's very direct and sometimes abrasive, so he's often in the centre of leftist online drama.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He uses slurs, does harassment campaigns against leftist people of color and is overall a giant chump that is far more of a reactionary than any leftist. He's the "leftist" YouTuber for people who never had their Ben Shapiro/Sargon phase and don't understand what's wrong with that style of content.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Going a bit too far to call him more of a reactionary than a leftist.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn't know shit about theory or what he actually means by socialism, and has all this in his history. Vaush is a reactionary sex pest that deserves no quarter in this community.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Again you're going too far, you can criticize someone without acting like they've never read anything about socialism and is sexually abusive to anyone he meets.

If you actually look up the context to most of this stuff, which you forced me to do, it's really not as yikesy as you would think.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

does harassment campaigns against leftist people of color

Is this about him calling out Dr. Flowers for not being willing to denounce ethnic cleansing and getting back-up from actual land back activists for that.

Wait a second... this should be it.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

F.d. signifier

Using some other poc as an example of why he he isn't a piece of shit implies that you are okay with tokenism.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What. It's merely one of the bigger drama I'm aware of, if you don't want people to guess then don't talk in riddles are we in kindergarten here.

I don't think Vaush has particular beef with F.D. short of F.D. uncritically backing Flowers. Point-wise disagreement but I do see Vaush mentioning F.D. in a neutral to positive light quite regularly.

Also speaking about F.D., his "debate bro critical takedown" video was puerile, churlish, and definitely one-sided.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"Don't talk in riddles"

"Churlish"

God you're so far up your own ass defending some reactionary streamer that is literally just Sargon of Akkad for libs. Manage to type 3 sentences that say nothing. Vaush has a toxic ass fanbase that he sicks on people. When Chapo fans do that shit, we defederate their instance. But when a racist white sex pest lib does it, we have people defending him. What a joke. Those are two links btw

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, if there was a vaush lemmy instance sicking on people in the fediverse I'm sure that would get defederated very quickly too.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's part of LGBT you muppet and yes the online discourse is cancerous. Log off. Go outside. Talk to real-world people.

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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ben Shapiro amd Vaush are actually best friends. They havr been photographed together. Vaush also oddly gets along suspiciously well with Tim Pool. I mean really, really well. You wouldn't want a guy like that running your bolshevik revolution.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

Can't tell if this is a bit or not because Vaush's constant need to "own the right" makes him consistently look stupid just like them

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

direct and sometimes abrasive

He unironically believes horses have more sexual marketplace value than men

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The average man brings in what, like 3-4k$ per month? Whereas a horse costs hundreds, if not thousands, per month? Yet some people want horses? He might be onto something 🤔

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I mean have you seen the going rates of horse semen recently??? Definitely rather sell that than my boyfriend's.

[–] balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hmmm.

Well it is infinitely easier to get man dick.

[–] Hipstershy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago

The West Wing deserves better than this tbh

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