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Gentoo bans AI-created contributions (lwn.net)
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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 63 points 7 months ago

Górny took issue with everything from the energy consumption driven by AI

This has to be a joke. The team behind a distro that compiles everything from scratch all the time is concerned about wasting power now? The only distro for which I ever setup a compile cluster?

Give me a break. This is the new luddite movement.

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 67 points 7 months ago

Gotta say your comment makes an insightful impression, however Gentoo compilations are peanuts compared to the massive energy sucking hype that A.I. is. I am glad that people speak out publicly against this insane madness. A.I. hyping during climate crisis ? Overwhelming sales of SUVs Plans to move to planet Mars Who would have guessed that years ago ?

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Well it's the training of LLMs that consumes so much energy, simply using them (for say software development purposes) (inference) probably takes less power than recompiling your Gentoo.

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 7 months ago

Nobody can argue that ChromeOS (gentoo) Is the fastest and lightest and more polished distro available, though

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[-] Kacarott@feddit.de 45 points 7 months ago

You really went looking for something to hate on there didn't you. That is the only sentence in the whole article that even mentions power consumption, all the other arguments both fit and against are for a variety of other topics.

It seems to be that you are more likely caught up in some kind of movement if one argument from one person is enough for you to label everyone there luddites

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 21 points 7 months ago

If being a luddite means keeping man in the loop so be it.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 56 points 7 months ago

The original Luddite movement was literally a worker's rights movement, and the "irrationally afraid of technology" characterization was manufactured by the ruling class, so yes. The Luddites were right then and they're right now too.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The only problem the Luddites had is they went and busted the machines instead of the rich owners' kneecaps.

If you say, "they did that too!" Well, NOT ENOUGH!!

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

instead

I'd rather they do both.

[-] static_dragon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

There was an episode of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff that covered the luddites, I had no idea beforehand what they actually stood for, fascinating stuff

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[-] steeznson@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

To a certain extent other distros rely on more obscure distros like gentoo which uses package compilation as the default. If upstream are not publishing code which can be reproducibly built then the gentoo maintainers are the first to know and can raise an issue.

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[-] skilltheamps@feddit.de 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Also I think nobody so far weighed the energy consumption of e.g. using copilot against the environmental footprint of a human doing the legwork manually

[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 5 points 7 months ago

Well I'm a Luddite (and so can you!) https://thenib.com/im-a-luddite/

More luddites please.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Ah, thanks for that link! I actually read the first few pages on the latest MIT Tech Review some days ago, thought I'd ready the rest and forgot, now I can.

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[-] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 47 points 7 months ago

How would they determine what is AI generated and what is not?

[-] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago

Every tenth line of code needs a comment break for a detailed ascii “drawing” of human hands

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 49 points 7 months ago

This is just a normal fist! I don't see anything wrong with it!

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[-] yo_scottie_oh@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago

Banned.

[-] technom@programming.dev 22 points 7 months ago

I don't think that this is a hard rule. They probably look for the same signs that we do - plausible sounding utter gibberish. They just don't want the drop in quality due to that. If an author creates content with AI, but takes their time to edit and improve it, I think that the Gentoo team may give it a pass.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

When you write a copyright notice you aught to specify which code is actually copyrighted and which is AI written? Guess you can just include the code and pretend you wrote it, or just omit which part is actually the non-copyrighted AI code.

[-] Titou@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago

Chat-GPT seems to have some issues with excessive amount of code

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

It's really not hard to tell.

[-] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

I'm wary of those with so much confidence.

[-] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 41 points 7 months ago

A lot of butthurt techbros getting cockblocked here lmao

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[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 41 points 7 months ago

If you can tell the contribution is ai generated, it's not good enough

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 35 points 7 months ago

Thank you Gentoo Linux for this.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago

Might as well ban stack overflow based contributions as well.

AI is a great tool for coding. As long as it's used responsibly. Like any other tool, really.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 12 points 7 months ago

External LLMs are great for getting ideas and a quick overview of something, and helpers integrated into IDEs are useful to autocomplete longer lines of code or repetitive things.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

I frequently ask ChatGPT to make whole functions for me. It’s important to check the code and test it, obviously, but it has saved me quite a bit of time.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago

I find it difficult to describe single functions that need to be integrated into a larger project. Especially if it needs to utilize a private or more unknown library. For instance, it totally fucked up using Bluetooth via DBus in C++. And the whole project is basically just that.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

It certainly has its limitations. I’ve noticed a few topics where it generally gets things wrong, or I can’t seem to explain it properly. In that case, you may just use it as a reference guide. Maybe toss it some code and ask it what it thinks. It’s not always useful information, but sometimes that leads you down a different road that you would not have thought of before.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

Problem is, I only ever need to use something more powerful than a search engine with topics that are too complicated for me and/or not well documented, in which case LLMs fail just as bad. So it's actually only ever useful to get a general direction of a topic, but even then it could be biased to outdated information (eg. preferring bluetooth.h over DBus based bluetooth handling) or it outright doesn't know new standards, libraries and styles. And in my experience, problems that have one, well accepted and documented standard don't need any AI to get knowledge of.

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[-] nivenkos@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

But how would they know? It's like Blade Runner.

[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lots of companies will do this, eventually advertising the purity and the size of their human created training data.

These will be the companies selling their content to AI companies, although some will probably just be scanned in illegally. Perhaps a new type of copy write lawsuit will have to be invented.

Most people will continue to use these sites, aware their data is being used like this.

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