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[-] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 155 points 6 months ago

Technological progress reduces the amount of work required to perform certain tasks. In any just system, this would improve the lives of the general population, either by reducing the amount of work required to make a living, or by increasing the amount and range of products and services.

If technological progress does not do that, and instead makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, the problem isn't technological progress, but the system in which it is applied.

So what I'm saying is this: AI isn't the problem. AI replacing employees isn't the problem. The problem is that with a class divide into investors and workers, the ones profiting the most from technological progress are the investors.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 47 points 6 months ago

And this tracks with AI itself too, and the tendency to close source the models.

This, right here, is the actual issue with current AIs. Corporate power over things we increasingly need in our everyday life, censorship rules instated by unelected people up above, ability to shut model down for those who don't pay, etc.

The technology itself is great! Now make it work in the public interest and don't even try to say "AI is dangerous, so we would surely take proper care of it by closing it off from everyone and doing our shenanigans". Nope.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 12 points 6 months ago

Thank you, I've been trying to get this point across for months

[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Are you saying societal asymmetry is a social problem, not a technical one?

[-] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago
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[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago

The Big fear that a lot of people have with AI isn't the technology itself moreseo the fact that its advancements are likely to lead to a even more disproportionate distribution of wealth

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Capitalism is working as intended. Support ticket closed.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

If it didn't they would be legislating against it.

[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago

...and no remote work! Office real estate will loose it's value banks become sad.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Displacing millions of workers

I have seen what AI outputs at an industrial scale, and I invite you to replace me with it while I sit back and laugh.

[-] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

my company announced today that they were going to start a phased rollout where AI would provide first responses to tickets, with it initially being "reviewed" by humans with the eventual goal being it just sending responses unsupervised. The strength of my "OH HELL NO" derailed the entire meeting for a solid 15 minutes lmao

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

It's not about entirely replacing people. It's about reducing the number of people you hire in a specific role because each of those people can do more using AI. Which would still displace millions of people as companies get rid of the lowest performing of their workers to make their bottom line better.

[-] mPony@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It’s not about entirely replacing people

Tell yourself that all you wish. Then maybe go see this thread about Spotify laying off 1500 people and having a bit of a rough go with it. If they could they would try to replace every salaried/contracted human with AI.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah I'm not arguing that replacing people isnt what they want to do. They absolutely could if they would. I was just responding to the person saying they can't be replaced cause AI can't do what they do perfectly yet. My point was that at least for now it's not entirely replacing people but still displacing lots of people as AI is making people able to do more work.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

AI is making people able to do more work.

It's not. AI is creating more work, more noise in the system, and more costs for people who can't afford to mitigate the spam it generates.

The real value add in AI is the same as shrinkflation. You dump your clients into paying more for less, by insisting work is getting done that isn't.

This holds up so long as the clients never get wise to the con. But as the quality of output declines, it impacts delivery of service.

Spotify is already struggling to deliver services to it's existing user base. It's losing advertisers. And now it will have fewer people to keep the ship afloat.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

I think that's a really broad statement. Sure there are some industries where AI hurts more then it helps in terms of quality. And of course examples of companies trying to push it too far and getting burned for it like Spotify. But in many others a competent person using AI (someone who could do all the work without AI assistance, just slower) will be much more efficient and get things done much faster as they can outsource certain parts of their job to AI. That increased efficiency is then used to cut jobs and create more profit for the companies.

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[-] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago

One of those things is perfectly fine. And that's what people object to the most.

That would be a good thing to poison AI models with, porn and pornographic stories.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I'm more afraid of the flood of AI Generated CSAM and the countless people affected by non-consensual porn.

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[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Yes, end wage labour Next, destroy private and intellectual property

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

AI isn't on track to displace millions of jobs. Most of the automation we're seeing was already possible with existing technology but AI is being slapped on as a buzzword to sell it to the press/executives.

The trend is going the way of NFTs/Blockchain where the revolutionary "everything is going to be changed" theatrical rhetoric meets reality, where it might complement existing technologies but otherwise isn't that useful on its own.

In programming, we went from "AI will replace everyone!!!" to "AI is a complementary tool for programmers but requires too much handholding to completely replace a trained and educated software engineer when maintaining and expanding software systems". The same will follow for other industries, too.


Not to say it's not troubling, but as long as capitalism and wage labour exists, fundamentally we cannot even imagine a technology to totally negate human labour, because without human labour the system would have to contemplate negating fundamental pillars of capital accumulation.

We fundamentally don't have the language to describe systems that can holistically automate human labour.

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

What are you saying? That people without jobs aren't treated well?

[-] alienanimals@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I work a shitty job that doesn't care about me. I'll likely have to do it the rest of my life. I really hope AI doesn't take that away from me!

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