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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

You have to be awfully enamored with your personal narrative to take that as the moral.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Before I noticed what community this was in, I didn't even realize this was a jab at electric cars. I though the poster was talking about how abandoning electric cars would be the mistake we shouldn't repeat.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

That would be a more legitimate moral to take from it.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Ah yes electric cars weren’t good in the 1920s therefore can’t be good in the era of “stop using fossil fuels or go extinct”

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

But really, 100 miles on a charge was probably a pretty big deal in 1910

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I’d say that sounds pretty great tbh. I had no idea the range was that useable way back in 1910….

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago

Imagine if we would have continued to improve that technology for 100 years, instead of abandoning it for the ICE

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

We might have had shipstones by this point.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah exactly I am very angry about this. Not happy about it at all. Very bad no good. ☹️

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

A model T didn't beat those numbers by much, and in 1910 you had to start them with a crank which gave a nice element of danger to the whole thing.

Would have been cool to see 100+ years of improvements in electric cars instead of gas cars.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Is this a negative comment by that guy? I take it as, "don't half-execute ideas". But it appears everyone agrees he's saying electric cars sucked then and will now.

I just find that hard for even dummies to fall for, we all know how much technology moves in a decade, nevermind a century.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Unless it's a satirical page, it's called "car enthusiasts suck", so I'd read it as "we got out muscled by big oil once before, let's not let it happen again".

Edit: In comparison, the famous Ford Model T went up to 42mph compared to the 25mph of this electric car.

It had a 10 gallon petrol tank which I can't easily find the fuel economy stats for. Needless to say I expect the range of the Ford to be much higher than the electric car.

For a lot of people, I imagine it would mostly have came down to the same arguments as today: range, size, and upfront cost.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Electric vehicles aren't the problem, the fact that they are really expensive large computers with wheels that phone home constantly and track your every move, can be disabled remotely by the manufacturer, require mobile apps that track you and phone home constantly is the problem.

And they need OS updates to patch potentially fatal bugs.

[-] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

This is a modern car thing and not in the least bit specific to EVs.

[-] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Modern fossil fuel cars are unfortunately no different...

[-] pinkwerdo@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

But you can buy an old fossil fuel car.

[-] mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago

For now. In twenty years time the current fleet of newish cars will be the old junk.

[-] pinkwerdo@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

My family drives 20 year old cars daily.

[-] mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I like old cars, but the point is there will be a point at which getting a car that is as uncomplicated as a 1990s Japanese sedan will end. In 20 years time you'd have to deal with all sorts of electric and software issues.

It used to be that you could just take out the cassette player and insert a Bluetooth radio, for instance. In modern cars everything is integrated software and it sure as hell won't be maintained by car manufacturers after 10 years at most.

[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Well you could probably buy this old electric car too!

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Just a reminder that for the most part a car with an electric motor is very much powered by the combustion of fossil fuels. A grid without fossil fuel inputs is still a pipe dream.

[-] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Unfortunately true.

But even then, a fossil fuel power plant is more efficient at capturing the energy in the fuel than a car engine. So an electric vehicle still emits less CO2 per mile driven, even when the power used to charge it is entirely generated from fossil fuels.

My "old" 2017 Ford Fiesta weighed around 1100 kg, and could drive around 17 km per liter of gasoline. Gasoline has about 9.5 kWh worth of energy per liter, so that's 0.55 kWh/km. My new Hyundai Ioniq 5 weighs around 2300 kg (yes about twice as much) and drives 5 km per kWh. So that's only 0.2 kWh/km. So a car weighing twice as much expends less than half as much energy per km...

Luckily there's many places around the world where fossil fuels are rapidly being phased out.

For example, Scandinavia, where I live: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fossil-fuels-share-energy?country=SWE~NOR~FIN~DNK

[-] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Kind of a red herring when even 100% fossil fuel power is far more efficient than a car engine. Many US states are projecting <5% fossil fuel reliance for the grid within 15 years.

[-] Sylver@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Are these still for sale? Just install some hazards and stay off the highway!

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It's pretty much a golf cart

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