The ~~Javelins~~ ~~Switchblades~~ ~~Bayraktars~~ ~~M-777s~~ ~~Starstreaks~~ ~~HIMARS~~ ~~M111s~~ ~~Bradleys~~ ~~Patriots~~ ~~Storm Shadows~~ ~~NATO training~~ ~~cluster bombs~~ ~~DU Ammo~~ ~~Leopard 1s~~ ~~Leopard 2s~~ ~~Challenger 2s~~ F-16s will change the war completely!
maybe we need to send them a shipment of those shovels the russians were said to be fighting with
You can't. Those are specially crafted arcane showels from top secret Soviet closed cities. They're forged from pure Stalinium, tempered with atomic bombs and quenched with the blood of Ukrainian peasants. Even Russia doesn't have an unlimited supply of them, so only one in each three soldiers gets the shovel!
The sad thing is all these whiplash fast reversals of propaganda still have no meaningful impact on the western propagandized mind. They don't notice despite being months apart, the contradictions never reach them. They just go from one thing to the next, from smirking to seething without beginning to question whether hmm maybe the media is lying to them. It's just incredible. Because it used to be a process that took years from falsehood to truth reveal. Incredible and incredibly saddening too.
The wine cave warriors want to enjoy slaughter and killing on their screens and have no reason not to believe the propaganda fed to them; many of them have stock in military-industrial corporations.
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Who drinks wine in a cave?
Rich assholes in the Bay Area and all around Napa Valley, for starters.
Yeah that's the most depressing aspect of the whole thing.
I'm still moderately hopeful that when reality really hits it'll be soon enough that the bubble will pop for some people, at least momentarily. I think a decent comparison is the Afghanistan withdrawal and immediate collapse of the U.S. puppet government, but one big difference is Afghanistan had been on the media's back burner for years at that point.
A more accurate title for the second article would be: "Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy (because it has never been in a peer2peer conflict teehee)"
What's particularly funny here is that this is literally the first recorded instance of a challenger in action. The very first tank that crawled out of hiding got immediately taken out. 😂
In action in Ukraine or worldwide? Asking because I'm pretty sure there were videos circulating of a Challenger being hit twice allegedly by an RPG-7. Which was usually cited if the tank's professed invincibility was brought to question
I'm pretty sure they have been taken out before as well, but yeah this is the first time a Challenger surfaced in Ukraine.
Putin's conscripts
I wonder how long until we see headlines like "Putin's slave hordes".
Putin's orcs
I've been on a Wunderwaffen kick recently, but we'll keep it up: this is a preview of every major NATO weapons system that hasn't already seen extensive combat the second it goes up against anyone capable of shooting back with something larger than small arms fire. Anyone telling you otherwise is drinking the koolaid or selling it.
You win wars through producing high quality, reliable, simple weapon systems and then making sure your troops know how to use them and that you can continue to produce and ship replacements + ammo to the front lines. That's it. No plane will ever be invisible to enemy radar, no tank will ever be invincible, no anti-missile defense will ever shoot down even half of incoming fire reliably. It all boils down to a numbers game in the end.
The worst part is all the NATO countries are stripping the Active Protection System hardware out of Challenger, Lepord, and Abrams battle tanks before they are delivered to Ukraine. Everyone is paranoid about Russian electronic warfare learning how to jam the radar systems those NATO nations have installed in their tanks. Russian tanks currently on the front line have modern APS hardware while Ukraine is getting battle tanks that are intentionally crippled by NATO.
Another funny and fkd up thing is what will happen with the F16 fighters Ukraine is about to have. The US has stripped out the counter measure hardware that makes an old airframe like the F16 more survivable in an environment with modern anti air missiles being fired at it. Those F16s are going to get turned by Russia into wreckage just as fast as they did with all these NATO battle tanks.
Which just highlights the issue at the heart of my point: all these western weapons systems are utterly reliant on some magic sauce working perfectly, and if their opponents figure out what that sauce is and either develop a countermeasure or figure out the flaws and exploit them, the systems are fundamentally no better than their (significantly cheaper and easier to maintain) counterparts. It's Security Through Obscurity implemented as a strategic doctrine.
Let's not kid ourselves by calling it gimmicks or overly complicated. It is the same hardware and methods for the Russian military. It also isn't security through obscurity. Everyone switched to software defined radios for their communication and radar for a reason.
There are methods to combat such jamming but Ukrainian forces don't have the training or capability. NATO can't just magicially make the Ukrainian military into one with the capabilities of military super powers like the US, China, or Russia. The US and Russia both have the capacity, infact the Russian military is extremely capable when it comes to the electronic warfare and countering electronic warfare because their military has to be on par capability wise with the US military.
Instead we have sad stories like what's left of the Ukrainian air force powering down all the electronics in their aircraft as they approach the front line because they have no way to detect and counter Russian electronic capabilities.
The wine cave warriors will likely turn on their wholesome patriotic orc-battling Ukrainian heroes and blame them for being bad pilots as a cope.
Exactly, simple, cheap, and reliable weapons is what it ultimately comes down to. Most people don't seem to understand that war are about logistics first and foremost. In the end, it comes down to the ability of one side to outproduce the other. If you're making complex and expensive weapons that can't be easily maintained or replaced then as soon as your initial stocks run down, you've basically lost.
British-made tanks are about to sweep Putin's conscripts aside
Yay, our war machines will kill more people. But we'll call them "Putin's conscripts", as if they are inanimate units controlled by the evil Putin personally, and not real people.
"NPC" rhetoric and its consequences.
some impressive brain rot in that thread, here's another banger thread https://lemmy.ml/post/4384049
I see world news on lemmy.ml is indistinguishable from reddit now
Yeah, unless something make to the top feed on hexbear and they join, it's cesspool identical to r/worldnews
pretty much yeah, I gotta say the meltdowns when hexbear joins in are absolutely hilarious to watch
each must do their duty
I got front row seats at watching that community just degrade into full reddit lib territory. I remember when I first joined lemmy, and if I said I was a socialist over there it was taken mostly in stride. Now it's just reddit.
For a period of time I kept a secondary lemmy account on .ml , mostly for posting on things we were defederated from, but I have more or less abandoned that account. It was bad for my blood pressure.
I've had my account on lemmy.ml for years now, and I also feel that it turned into a whole different community over the past few months. Now that hexbear is federating at least that keeps libs in check a bit. It's pretty hilarious to watch the meltdowns they're having over the fact that their view is no longer the majority.
One of the top comments is talking about how much corruption there must be in the Russian military to waste so much of their budget.
They must think the entirety of the US military budget is used for exactly the things it is earmarked for.
Libs think that "the enemy" is automatically worse in every single way. So if they hear people talking about corruption in the US military, the enemy military must be even more corrupt. Good guys win, bad guys lose, the west are the good guys and Russia are the bad guys, therefore Russia is losing, which means every lost Ukrainian must mean a hundred lost Russians, Russia is just lying about their losses. They live in a post-truth world where things are decided by vibes and not by reality.
It appears the Challenger 2... wasn't up to the challenge. Heh.
I promise that Russia will lose the war tomorrow.
I have it on good authority that they spent their last bit of ammo destroying the Challenger.
I’m from the future, can confirm they lost.
We’re talking about The China Bad Times Expanded Universe canon right?
Oh hey, I was just wondering about those the other day! We've seen Leo's getting blown, but not these.
But don't worry, they'll just move the goalposts, as always. "Never been destroyed by enemy fire!" This happens "Akschually this was artillery, we meant never been destroyed by enemy tank fire!" Five minutes later "Yeah well at least it can shrug off RPGs!" Five minutes later "Yeah well at least the crew survived so take that, tankie! I'm not owned! I'm not owned!!!111"
Or, you know, just pretend it didn't happen.
Definitely worth it poisoning the breadbasket of Europe with depleted uranium so that this wonderwaffle of a tank can have ammo.
Today the Challenger, tomorrow the F16.
That didn't age well
need the links plssss
oh here
and couldn't find the exact one for the middle, but this one's close enough where it claims it's never experienced a loss due to enemy action https://www.forces.net/ukraine/what-would-challenger-2-tank-mean-ukrainian-defence
incredible satire from the telegraph lol, thanks
This might be the first time we're witnessing western propaganda unravel in real time. It used to be that they'd feed people a bunch of bullshit, everybody would internalize it, and then years later, when it no longer mattered, we'd get the revelations. Now, we're seeing the narrative come apart within months of being published.
the Guardian says the crew "survived".
You wouldn't know them tho they're in another tank
We're about to learn whether it takes the years-in-the-middle-bit to sustain the liberal suspension of disbelief. My guess is 90:10 will be able to erase the contradiction from their consciousness just as easily as if there were a decade gap between hearing the propaganda and finding out the truth.
Good memes, bad memes, unite towards a united front.
