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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ExLisper@linux.community to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Haven't seen any posts about this and it's a pretty big thing. From DMA website:

Examples of the “do’s”: gatekeepers will for example have to:

  • allow third parties to inter-operate with the gatekeeper’s own services in certain specific situations;
  • provide companies advertising on their platform with the tools and information necessary for advertisers and publishers to carry out their own independent verification of their advertisements hosted by the gatekeeper;
  • allow their business users to promote their offer and conclude contracts with their customers outside the gatekeeper’s platform.

Example of the “don'ts”: gatekeepers will for example no longer:

  • treat services and products offered by the gatekeeper itself more favourably in ranking than similar services or products offered by third parties on the gatekeeper's platform;
  • prevent users from un-installing any pre-installed software or app if they wish so;
  • track end users outside of the gatekeepers' core platform service for the purpose of targeted advertising, without effective consent having been granted.

We'll see how this plays out but this is first move in a very long time that could open up platform like WhatsApp to 3rd party clients and force Google and Apple to open their mobile OSes to other apps. Maybe we'll see stock Android without play services? One can dream...

P.S. https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu - page about the legislation

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[-] duxbellorum@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

Spoke to some EU lawyers recently at a policy meetup and this is pretty consistent with their prevailing sensibilities: target and dilute power that is being held over consumers.

[-] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

I need to move to the EU...

[-] Gush@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[-] library_napper@monyet.cc -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well I took like a 60% pay cut after moving to Germany. Fascism is spreading. There's a big war with a nuclear armed power within blast/wind radius. Health insurance isn't cheap.

But there's definitely some good things like being able to click "no" just as easily as clicking "yes" to cookie bamners

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Take me with you? I'm not much for looks but I cook well

[-] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Same... same.

[-] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Not the first time I see it on Lemmy but I’m really glad it’s getting traction. I expect a lot from the DMA

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

I hope it spreads and influences other countries. Despite what people think about EU's regulations, I do think they care more for their citizens than many governments.

[-] autotldr 15 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The package of laws will also pave the way for more competition in some of the areas most guarded by the tech firms, including Apple Wallet and Google Pay.

The Digital Markets Act (DMA) is the second big package of EU laws to hit tech firms in two months and defines a series of obligations that gatekeepers need to comply with, including not participating in anti-competitive practices.

The DMA aims to undo the gatekeeper or controlling position that large tech companies have commanded in the last 10 years and gives the European Commission the power to conduct market investigations and design remedies if the firms fall out of line.

Brussels intends the laws to open the door to more competition, allowing startups to compete with the giants on a level playing field for the first time.

The tech companies – including Apple, Google and Amazon – have six months to comply with a full list of dos and don’ts under the new laws, after which they could be fined up to 10% of their turnover.

The laws will initially apply to six companies: Alphabet (which owns Google), Amazon, Apple, ByteDance (the owner of TikTok), Meta (Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp) and Microsoft.


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[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Side loading AND USBC on the iPhone? Almost makes it a good phone

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I mean what's left compared to the average android phone?

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

A LOT, but side loading is definitely a good start.

[-] yesStehen@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

Great! Does that mean that we will be able to message people via WhatsApp without needing to have it installed? (Via some kind of api)

[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 19 points 1 year ago

Yes, that's the goal, there was a great blog post from one of the KDE guys about a meeting people from the Neochat, Matrix and XMPP projects where invited to to explain the benefits of interoperability between chat apps and that part actually made it into the law now!

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 15 points 1 year ago

Shit, sometimes I just love EU.

[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 3 points 1 year ago

With a focus on "sometimes" but yea, it's certainly better than most in many cases!

[-] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah their headlines are always great or terrible. “EU requires iPhones to use usb c” “eu is trying to ban encryption” “eu requires devices to have repairable batteries”

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 1 year ago

I think this is a possibility.

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago

Big tech companies will be barred from monetising information about phone users, prohibiting them from using the data they collect from apps on a phone to build up a detailed picture of individual consumer behaviours for advertisers.

Does anyone know if this also applies to banks that monetize from your purchase and transaction history and sell your profile to advertisers?

Or do banks have the EU by the balls in a way that tech companies don't?

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So much confusion about this... But I understand, it is confusing.

GDPR was about privacy and does apply to banks. Banks can't gather or process personal data without consent: https://americandeposits.com/gdpr-affect-bank/

This new regulation is specifically about Big Tech. It regulates companies that control significant parts of market and block smaller companies from entering it. This has nothing to do with banks.

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago

The tech companies – including Apple, Google and Amazon – have six months to comply with a full list of dos and don’ts under the new laws, after which they could be fined up to 10% of their turnover. In Meta’s case, this would be 10% of $120bn (£95bn).

6 months from what day?

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 1 year ago

From yesterday I believe.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Just theoretical, maybe one of the gatekeepers do their calc and decide: okay we are out of Europe because our greedy business model doesn't work without a gate.

[-] NotSpez@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Europe would be better for it, right? And a competitor can release a product that does follow regulations

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah we already see this with alternatives to security tools like cloudflare and akamai. EU companies don't trust US companies due to NSL laws in the US, so there's alternatives inthre EU.

[-] snaptastic@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago
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