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EU approval for chat control (www.patrick-breyer.de)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

We need to do something against this. The EU plans to apply a law for a chat control in the territory. The approval say that all the chats and the emails would be send to the government to do AI scanning to in fact “find the children abuses”, even when using apps with end-to-end encryption (the EU will ask the services to open their secrets keys… we know that Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already agreed to this. On the other hand Signal for example had said that they would leave the EU if this law will be applied). We need to counter this, because this restrict the privacy and the security of the citizens. Even if you’re not living in the EU, you should take a look because that could encourage others to do the same! Please take a look of the situation and make you your own idea of the case. Find out here the votes results for now, by countries and more... mepwatch.eu

Some others organizations criticized the approval, a open letter/petition was posted here : globalencryption.org

PS : I know that this was posted on the community a bit before (https://lemmy.world/post/16093632) but I think this is really important and the people should know it. That's a really regrettable decision for the population. thx

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[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 110 points 5 months ago

As nobody has mentioned this yet. Vote! On Sunday all Germans vote on their representation in the EU. Vote for the pirate party or another progressive party. Vote out the grandpa's and grandma's that want to "protect" their adult children.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

Absolutely right

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago
[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 6 points 5 months ago

I was considering to vote for Volt, but I fear, that their approach to save the climate might get overrun by other liberal parties. I'm currently considering voting for die Piraten.

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Pirates are an awesome Party don't misunderstand me, I just like VOLT's approach to unify the EU more.

That Approach is great. I also agree with most of their core values, except their approach to taxes. Its also great to have a party that is active in different country's.

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[-] astropenguin5@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Wait, you guys have a pirate party over there? That's actually really cool

I wish our parties over here in the states were more interesting like that (also that we have more of them and need a completely different system but that's besides the point)

[-] Obonga@feddit.de 88 points 5 months ago

As most child abuse happens in the homes by the parents or relatives, when can we expect 24/7 surveilance in our homes?

Oh wait its not about protecting children, is it?

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago

They say that it's about to protect children but that ask a big question for our privacy

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago
[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 49 points 5 months ago

Another day, another stupid fucking government surveillance overreach

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 5 months ago

So here in the states, teens who are romantically active sometimes sext each other (sometimes even as an alternative to actual sex). But law enforcement is very fond of regarding it as CSAM, even to the point of convicting teenagers of distribution. Of all fifty states, only Maine has carved out a defense for teen couples utilizing their phone cameras in a way that is ragingly common among adults.

All fifty states have Romeo and Juliet laws so they recognize that teens sometimes have sex. But as it is, they're not allowed to sext. (also R+J laws often don't apply to same-sex couples).

So I'm all curious how the EU plans to tackle this revelation

[-] far_university1990@feddit.de 12 points 5 months ago

So I'm all curious how the EU plans to tackle this revelation

They do not. At all.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago

So as per the rest of western cultures, they freak out and abuse teens when they engage in normal sexual activity? Do they imprison them the way they do here?

[-] K4mpfie@feddit.de 26 points 5 months ago

I'm worried too but I doubt countries who voted against it will just lie down and turn over. I'm sure local courts will fight this on the grounds of national privacy laws. And just because the EU wishes this to be a thing doesn't mean it's happening too. The technological groundwork needs to be developed for this and I can imagine that some service will drag their feet at implementing that. At least that's my unicorn utopia with rainbows I currently live in to bear this reality 🫠

[-] mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago

The EU will already have projects in development as far as my experience goes.

What I do not know though but think applies: Such an act is legally binding for all member states. If they fight these things, they are allowed to propose at the EU court for adjustment in order to be aligned with the national law. This can postpone the national implementation for a few years.

But it can only be revoked by a new act of the EU council.

And they can simply ignore any new suggestion of the EU parliament if they like to.

If this law passes I will delete What's App. I don't fucking care how many contacts I will loose. Matrix it is then.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 months ago

You know even without the law should consider deleting whatsapp and switched to signal or other private stuff

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I would prefer Matrix or XMPP, they don't have the risks regarding centralization and are thus far harder to censor.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

For sure these are better for a more private and can avoid censorship far more easily, you can use Session as well, but the of Signal is really good because of their solid proved encryption. Snowden and others recommend it. Maybe not the absolute best but far away from the worst

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Signal is also great because it is easy to use, and works on all mobile platforms. It's probably the easiest secure chat app to get people onboard with using.

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 5 months ago

Major XMPP clients now have implemented OMEMO - from what I understand, it's very similar.

My issue with Signal, aside from centralization and phone numbers, is how it is annoying to use without a smartphone.

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[-] cows_are_underrated@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yes, I try to avoid it, but its kinda ass, if you loose contact to literally everyone you know.

I already use Signal and matrix for certain groups and contacts.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

I can understand I've gone trough that as well, but you know it's so much safer to use a more private messaging app, as example we suspect the Israeliens to use AI and WhatsApp to organize murders to suspected pro Palestinians people, based on their groups on whatsapp...

[-] tal@lemmy.today 24 points 5 months ago

Spain has consistently been a major proponent of mandating this stuff, from what I've read in the past. I assume that this relates to wanting to deal with their secessionist movements.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago

That could be the reason. In this case the Germany the Poland and the Austria are refusing the approval

[-] starman@programming.dev 24 points 5 months ago

Results of last voting, so you know who not to choose on Sunday:

https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712

[-] WereCat@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago
[-] bob_lemon@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago

Maybe try getting an MEP for Greens/EFA or the Left?

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[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

I'm relieved that the group I wanted to vote was against. I'm frightened that it was the only one against in France 😱

[-] thbb@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Which group in France is against? I consider making this issue a top priority for choosing who I vote for.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

80% for, as in "in favour of scanning", or am I misinterpreting something?

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

No, I think that's corrext because our conservative CDU/CSU party voted in favor and we all know how those ultra-conservative christians vote.

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[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

Just for the record, a post title usually lets you know what the content will be about.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

I've changed it maybe it was a bit too teaser

[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Thanks bruv!

i put my real name, the eu would be surprised.

[-] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 months ago

"... we know that Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already agreed to this."

Wait, what?

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

from the article:

So far only some unencrypted US communications services such as GMail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud email and X-Box apply chat control voluntarily (more details here)

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