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I’m saying that since they want to fake being oppressed so hard they should get a taste of what real oppression feels like.

This is your problem. You need to face it. Those are not the words of an ally. Saying that a member of your community deserves to feel the same oppression you did? Absolutely not. You are not speaking as their ally, you are speaking as their enemy.

You've got a lot of "kids these days don't know how good they have it!" energy, and it's really not helping you here or anywhere.

Seriously, you're complaining about these people fighting all the wrong battles, but here you are still fighting in that exact battle? In your eyes, they're wasting their time turning on each other... but here you are screaming at them and about them? Do you think the things you are saying in this thread will prevent discrimination and violence? Do you think you're changing minds?

I understand you're rightfully pissed off about a lot of things. But you really are drawing a line in your life and saying "I struggled. They didn't. They don't have the right to question me. Which isn't necessarily true and also isn't a very productive line of reasoning.

A lot of great answers here, but one issue stands out as the most important: time. There isn't enough time for anyone else to pick up the slack for the promises the US has already made. People across the world are depending on those supplies, and many of them won't survive long enough for another country to step in and provide them.

Even the ones that will survive will face long-term consequences. Malnutrition and lapses in medical care aren't just short-term or isolated problems. Suddenly pausing treatments for tuberculosis patients doesn't just mean the patient can suffer and die - it also means TB can repopulate in their bodies, develop resistance like any bacteria exposed to but not cured by antibiotics, and that patient can spread more drug-resistant strains of TB to others. (Credit to John Green). More drug-resistant TB anywhere in the world is going to be a problem for people everywhere.

Have to defer to Occam's razor, not Hanlon's, unfortunately. The simplest answer is more often right when deciding between malice and stupidity, and this user's actions can most simply be explained as trolling.

Blocking and banning are the only reasonable responses to trolls who play these games with their words and intentions and who thrive on being the nice, innocent victim in response to every challenge.

I mean, I think they should be banned because they're clearly just spreading misinformation and division. "I'm not a conservative, I'm totally a socialist! I just build conservative communities and support conservative ideas because I want to support them! Not because I agree with them!"

"It's not trolling! I'm just sharing articles for funsies! I'm a retired socialist and do it in my free time! I just share doomer socialist content with socialists, and inflammatory conservative content with conservatives! That's a totally normal and fun thing to do for a lifelong socialist!"

"Don't take lemmy so seriously guys, its not like political discussion influences political action and those actions have direct consequences on people's lives! Politics can be fun!"

Fuck off, troll.

Oh my god. They sealioned you about the concept of sealioning. Why did I make it this far? What is it about all this weaponized nonsense that draws me like a nature documentary?

The media will frame it as a barely contained pot about to boil over.

The media has already been framing US cities like this for quite some time. Do not let that stop you. If they do not have enough civil unrest to justify oppression, they will manufacture it. If they can't manufacture it, they will fabricate evidence of it. Do not discourage protests for the sake of appearing civil and moderate.

Historically, forcing a country into unreasonably high debt immediately following a war... is a pretty bad idea for literally all parties involved.

Man, lotta vague libertarian energy here, but to answer your question:

Why nickel and dime everyone that is probably never going to even see the fountain instead of letting the people that want/need pay for it?

In general, the answer to this usually boils down to one of two answers:

1. choosing instead to directly nickel and dime people at the point of service comes with overhead and is wildly inefficient. You want to add an internet connection to every public water fountain? Or at the very least wire them with electricity to power some kind of vending machine system? Or perhaps have a person standing there to charge people? Someone will have to pay extra for any additional steps in what could otherwise just be, well, a simple faucet.

2. More often than not, the people that need things the most are not the people who can pay for them. These people still need to survive, because letting the poor suffer and die will still cost you and everyone else money.

And study after study shows that when we all pay a little to help people in general, we can all save a lot in, say, street sanitization, law enforcement, healthcare services, etc. Things that you have to provide especially if people can't afford it.

Thanks. I'm glad you can discuss these issues that involve the rapid and violent upheaval of people's lives with apathetic disinterest. Boy do I feel stupid for caring more than you, eh?

... Then you're for immigration, but also oppose immigration to the United States right now? Presumably because of economic reasons? That's just being against immigration with extra qualifiers.

The whole point is that neither immigration nor deportation - more immigrants coming in or more immigrants leaving - neither will result in any material change to the problems you have with the nation's current state. Wave a magic wand and deport them all, healthcare won't be cheaper the next day. Wave a magic wand and lock the southern border from coast to coast and your food won't be cheaper either.

Immigration is not causing any of the significant and systemic problems that the United States is currently facing, and so there's no sense in... what, exactly?

Waiting for the problems to get better before you would accept more immigrants? Some utopian moment in time when you would actually be for immigration in the United States? What would that time look like to you, and why would current or future immigration stand in the way of reaching that point?

I'm saying that the US has so many issues that mass immigration will never help when you can’t even take care of the people who are already there.

That's the thing, though. You can take care of the people already here. There is more than enough wealth, natural resources, land, food, energy... you name it, we have more than enough of it and can make more than enough of it. The point is the people in power choose not to. One or one million, immigrants will not take away anything from the lives of citizens that hasn't already been taken away.

If you could wave a magic wand and deport every last immigrant, how would that take care of the citizens here? Crime would go down? No, statistically they commit less crimes per capita. Taxes would go down? No, as a group they pay far more in taxes than they could possibly take back in government spending.

The immense amount of wealth being hoarded by the powerful is already not being spent on improving people's lives, and every last dime of it will continue not being spent on improving people's lives.

You won't get another slice of the pie just because someone leaves. You won't end up with more value to be shared among less people... you will just end up with less people. People whose absence will actually make everything cost more, meaning the slice of the pie you do already hold will be worth less than before.