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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

pushy rationalist tried to glom onto and fly to meet my niche internet microcelebrity friend & i talked her through setting boundaries instead of installing this person in her life. my good deed for the week

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

AI video generation use case: hallucinatory RETVRN clips about the good old days, such as, uh, walmart 20 years ago?

It his the uncanny valley triggers quite hard. It’s faintly unsettling t watch at all, but every individual detail is just wrong and dreamlike in a bad way.

Also, weird scenery clipping, just like real kids did back in the day!

https://bsky.app/profile/mugrimm.bsky.social/post/3lzy77zydrc2q

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

genuinely think nostalgia might be the most purely evil emotion, and every one of these RETVRN ai videos i see strengthens that belief

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago

hallucinatory RETVRN clips about the good old days

Nostalgiabait is the slopgens' specialty - being utterly incapable of creating anything new isn't an issue if you're trying to fabricate an idealis-

such as, uh, walmart 20 years ago?

Okay, stop everything, who the actual fuck would be nostalgic for going to a fucking Wal-Mart? I've got zero nostalgia for ASDA or any other British big-box hellscape like it, what the fuck's so different across the pond?

(Even from a "making nostalgiabait" angle, something like, say, McDonalds would be a much better choice - unlike Wal-Mart, McD's directly targets kids with their advertising, all-but guaranteeing you've got fuzzy childhood memories to take advantage of.)

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago

I will say that the flipping between characters in order to disguise the fact that longer clips are impractical to render is a neat trick and fits well into the advert-like design, but rewatching it just really reinforces how much those kids look like something pretending real hard to be a human.

Also, fake old-celluloid-film filter for something that was supposed to be from 20 years ago? Really?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago

New Ed Zitron to start the week off: The Case Against Generative AI

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9183

Quantum scoot is quantum spooked 😱 after GPT-5 manages to solve a subproblem for him (after multiple attempts), thanks the powers that be for his tenure!

… even though GPT-5 probably generates the answer via websearch

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

After seeing this, I reminded myself that I've seen this type of thing happen before. Over the past half year, so many programmers enthusiastically embraced vibe coding after seeing one or two impressive results when trying it out for themselves. We all know how that is going right now. Baldur Bjarnason had some great essays (1, 2) about the dangers of relying on self-experimentation when judging something, especially if you're already predisposed into believing it. It's like a mark believing in a psychic after he throws out a couple dozen vague statements and the last one happens to match with something meaningful, after the mark interprets it for him.

Edit: Accidentally hit reply too early.

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You think he would maybe, idk, search around to see if this was a known formula before making such a bombastic statement…

Oh yeah, he wrote an update saying that the LLM is still great, even if the result is already known, because it saves him time. We have come full circle back to the exact same value proposition as the vibe coders.

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Microsoft launches ‘vibe working’ in Excel and Word

A new Office Agent in Copilot chat, powered by Anthropic models, is also launching today that can create PowerPoint presentations and Word documents from a “vibe working” chatbot.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

Microsoft says its Agent Mode in Excel has an accuracy rate of 57.2 percent in SpreadsheetBench, a benchmark for evaluating an AI model’s ability to edit real world spreadsheets.

They are openly admitting this? Do they really not realize how completely damning the number is...?

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Check out this epic cope from an Anthropic employee desperately trying to convince himself and others that actually LLMs are getting exponentially better

https://www.julian.ac/blog/2025/09/27/failing-to-understand-the-exponential-again/

Includes screenshots of data where he really really hopes you don't look at the source, and links to AI 2027.

[–] dovel@awful.systems 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I took a quick peek at his blog.

Oh dear, there is a dedicated rationality subsection...

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 3 points 5 hours ago

Oh god, he unironically recommends reading the sequences wtf 🤢🤮

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 5 hours ago

Surprise level: zero

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Great response^

I think Julian is going to be mildly surprised that METR’s chart keeps going up, and yet, will have relatively small effect on the majority of swe roles.

At the same time, he did create alphaZero so he has a big old noggin! I wonder, after his success at Go, was he swept up in the mania that we would quickly translate that success to create super duper ai?

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Links to the METR tasks w/ massive error bars at 50% level lmaou.

Someone in the comments rightly points out the comparison with covid isn’t apt. With covid, underlying mechanism caused an exponential effect in covid’s spread

With LLMs the exponential trend is being caused by exponentially spending money and a healthy dose of targeting benchmarks, which is why people are calling the top. The money literally doesn’t exist for this shit to go on so you can create your 50% accurate mechanical turk.

Edit: idk the more I think about this the more it irks me. Like if I was allowed to pick and choose benchmarks that agree with my biases I would post something like this…

… and claim model performance is actually getting worse over time.

https://xcancel.com/sayashk/status/1966144670561612202#m

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago

The second screenshot goes to a chart where the Y axis is labelled

Task duration (for humans) where logistic regression of our data predicts the AI has a 50% chance of succeeding

So they're just extrapolating an exponential, not actually measuring it.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 10 hours ago

links to AI 2027.

In Dutch we have a saying (from a commercial, well done on the advertisers there) 'Wij van Wc-eend adviseren Wc-eend' (we from the company Wc-eend, suggest you get Wc-eend), which seems appropriate here. It is used in a sarcastic context when somebody gives advice with a clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, just going from the title, 'X is exponential' has been the pro AI cry since the singularity is near. (Which said, well individual tech follows an S-curve, but all the techs combined are exponential, and variants on that). All seems very hopeium, immortality is near!

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 6 points 12 hours ago

AI Shovelware: One Month Later by Mike Judge

The fact that we’re not seeing this gold rush behavior tells you everything. Either the productivity gains aren’t real, or every tech executive in Silicon Valley has suddenly forgotten how capitalism works.

... por que no los dos ...

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 3 points 10 hours ago

Not sure if this was posted before

The Company Man | LW

"There is no such thing as sex," Vox says from his lotus position, his eyes closed in religious ecstasy, "only the One Mind jerking itself off."

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The US economy is 100% on coyote time.

It wouldn't matter if everyone came to their senses today. All the money that's been invested into AI is gone. It has been turned into heat and swiftly-depreciating assets and can never be recouped.

It's surreal isn't it?

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

seems like armin ronacher (originally of the flask, jinja & co fame) has also fallen into the vibecoding rabbit hole; which is generally a pity.

a good thing that the pallets projects are now independent from him (and if you build python clis, plubum is anyway much, much better than click).

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

He's been on the vibecoding bandwagon for quite some time on lobste.rs.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 3 points 11 hours ago

indeed, but that “90% of my code is now from ai” piece is even sadder than the rest.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Pigs will be a true method of space exploration if they can fly to Mars in 1 hour.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 13 hours ago

So as historically new versions are made about every ~2 years. This means we are 6 years out.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

On top of everything else, "the father of quantum computing" is such lazy writing. People were thinking about it before Deutsch, going back at least to Paul Benioff in 1979. Charlie Bennett and Giles Brassard's proposal for quantum key distribution predates Deutsch's quantum Turing machine... No one person should be called "the father of" a subject that had so many crucial contributors in such a short period of time.

Also, chalk up another win for the "billionaires want you to think they are physicists" hypothesis. It's perhaps not as dependable as pedocon theory, but it's putting in a strong showing.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 7 points 20 hours ago

the father of quantum computing agrees

And then you read the article and he is basically just saying big if true.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

GPT-8: The Ocho

Now trained with comprehensive coverage of top-fuel lawnmower racing and timbersports

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 19 hours ago

I hear GPT-8 will broadcast a dyson sphere circumnavigation race