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Literally every news site is left center according to them, is it a bug with the bot or is the site really that useless?
Edit yea is a bug, literally every site also has high credibility and factual reporting according to them (or maybe not? Not every site does apparently, Idk what the heck is up with the site lol maybe it is just useless)
No, it's really that useless. The site is American-biased, so any neutral source is at least center-left by its metrics. And the guy running the site has an Israeli Zionist bias too.
Like Stephen Colbert used to say on his show, "reality has a well-known liberal bias".
Completely. Calling NBC news center left is a real head scratcher, that bot is apparently living in an alternative facts reality.
MBFC is pretty clear with how they rank "Bias" and I'd say they're bang on with NBC news. They're also pretty clear with how they rank factuality and again I'd say they have it correct with NBC News.
It's also pretty clear that many Lemmings struggle with the concept that bias and factuality are different things. NBC has a slight left bias but is still factual. They rank Fox News as having an "extreme" Right Bias and they rank them "mixed" factuality.
You just never see that because no one on Lemmy uses Fox as a source and if they try their post goes nowhere.
As in "left wing" in the USA so "centre right" in normal countries?
Which is just a lie that the American corporate media sells us so we'll forget that corporate bias is a thing too.
MBFC is very clear that they are evaluating from an American Centrist perspective. If it bothers you that much just ignore the "bias" part, the factual part is still very useful...unless you inhabit a world of alternate facts.
You mean hard right in normal countries?
Sure. My comment wasn't meant to display any kind of superiority just to inform.
Their credibility and factual reporting metrics are off wry British newspapers in my experience. The bias seems not as far off on British papers if you take an American "centrist" point of view, but firstly, no, the bot isn't up front about that perspective in its posts at all, and it's not really up front about that perspective unless you count two or three clicks deep from one or other of the words in the footer. Secondly, the American Overton window is very far to the right on any international scale and the democratic party is pretty centrist or centre right by European standards. To be undecided between the batshit crazy loony alt right "alternative facts" authoritarian compulsive liar Trump and the Democrats isn't a good basis for establishing the credibility of your bot or your website.
They criticise British newspapers for reporting the results of a survey about private renters' opinions, on the basis that the survey should have compared their views with those in different housing situations and hence wasn't factual, and then on their website they have news stories whose headlines baldly just say that Trump said a thing, and the thing, as usual, isn't even close to true.
No, I don't buy their credibility ratings, their factual reporting ratings and I have no reason to suppose that their bias ratings are correct for American sources partly because a bunch of people keep saying that it's absurd that they claim that some source is left of centre, and most of the things it says about things I know about are incorrect and pretty much wholly in line with what a British Conservative would say.
Hah NBC are bang on right. You Americans are so warped.
Like a piece of old pine.
It could be that any news org right of “center-left” went full fascist and doesn’t get any traction here but I haven’t been tracking that closely. It feels like a plausible explanation though. Newsweek is a rag, WSJ is straight propaganda now, etc.
You seem to be correct, we just don't see the others. If you look through it's comment history though, there are news sources rated as other things like "least biased" and "center-right".
I'd assume that any news that is to the right of "left of center" doesn't get much visibility on Lemmy. Maybe Lemmygrad or Exploding Heads are a different story, but I figure they'd sooner ban the bot in far-right communities than let it highlight biases.
Lemmy has a real, by U.S. standards, left tilt so the majority of the articles posted are going to use sources that fit that. Additionally anything posted from the few right wingers that Lemmy does have aren't going to get much traction and you will likely never see them.
You're asking if the site is "useless" but failing to ask the more important question of "Why is all of my information coming from places that have the same perspective?"
MBFC is discreetly showing how much of an echo chamber Lemmy can be.
Yes we have a real left tilt, we’re complaining because right wing sources are being listed as left.
MBFC is clear that they are evaluating from an American Centrist perspective. Ignore the "bias" rating and just look at the factual rating.