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Honest question from a European: Do you guys still have journalism somewhere? It all seems to be political propaganda or outrage clickbait with you guys.
Point of order from an American: Politico is a wholly owned subsidiary of German multinational Axel Springer.
Didn't know that (i'm German), but Springer ist known in Germany to outright lie to push rightwing agenda
Corporations are people my friend!
Edit: I don't actually believe this lmao...this is an infamous quote from Mitt Romney from when he was trying to be president. And also Axel Springer the man died 40 years ago
It isn't, but it borrows so many loan words from other languages it sometimes pretends to be. Dont feel bad about it.
Wait, are corporations all male in German?
not really, they are of all genders, but i saw the meme potential
Better regulation in EU and Germany. And better freedom of speech too.
Many Americans confuse the right to lie with freedom of speech.
Touché (I'm German, btw)
Do they own Spiegel?
Very little, but there is NPR, which generally attempts to do real journalism.
https://www.npr.org/
Democracy Now! Also
ProPublica, PBS, and don't forget the Daily Show
I wouldn't say the Daily Show does real journalism. They do make important stories public, but they have a clear slant both in terms of politics and in terms of making it funny.
Jon Stewart would agree. Not sure if Norm would, but probably.
Daily Show and Last Week Tonight have staffs of ardent pursuers of truth.
A lot of study & journalism goes in to the jokes & it shows.
Both offer a succinct wrap of the daily (or weekly) news.
Study and research, definitely. But I still wouldn't call it journalism. It's satire based on research. When going for a joke over necessary details, they will often go for the joke. And if you read the story elsewhere, you will see that something important has been left out because of it.
I love The Daily Show and Last Week Tonight a long with A Closer Look on Seth Myers' show and I regularly watch all of them, but I still wouldn't call them journalism. It's well-researched extremely topical comedy. And that's fine. That's a good thing. People can get their information from comedy too. It's just that you shouldn't necessarily turn to them for a full picture of a story.
That said, I would say that's much less true of Last Week Tonight because they go in depth into a subject. The Daily Show and A Closer Look spend at most 6 or 7 minutes on a subject and have to fit in a lot of jokes.
And that's why I (& sounds like you, too) watch them: as you said they bring valid topics to the table. If they're skewing the facts severely, they make it pretty obviously part(y) of the jokes. Doonesbury was always more of a news media than national inquirer.
Comedy delivered from a proper court jester beats the telltale gossip rag for actual useful information every day of the week.
That in mind, Late night, Tonight shows, daily shows all do a better job of delivering news than Fox.
Plus, they tell you it's only part of the story or give multiple takes on the situations.
Fox, not so much. Some experts agree... Valid topics are only those approved by Sun times & RT.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I'm just saying it isn't journalism. It's informational, helpful and sometimes even profound- but it isn't journalism. It's just not journalism when you sacrifice information for humor.
Mother Jones remains my favorite publication, I think.
Which is precisely why Musk has flagged it as possible misinformation on Xitter.
Agree, though their coverage of Bernie's 2016 presidential run towed the DNC party line, which made me less sure about their neutrality. Now I tend to hit up the BBC if I want US news coverage and I don't have time to ingest multiple sources.
A lot of British people can tell you all about the BBC's toeing the government line. But both are a lot less biased than many other Western media sources. NPR's biggest problem is similar to what the NYT and WaPo do, just to a lesser extent- overcompensating and causing an imbalance toward conservatism in an attempt to look unbiased. WaPo and especially the NYT are far worse though.
John Oliver
Local affiliates and independent papers tend to be much better.
Until they get bought up by Sinclair or Gannett.
This is extremely dangerous to our democracy
"This is dangerous to our democracy."
Was gonna say, "they still exist?" Lol
There are a lot of 'content creators' that pose as journalists.
There are journalists that do great work but since their stories can run counter to a narrative, it can be more difficult to find those articles.
Specifically, "Good Work" and "Some More News" spring to mind as producing well researched pieces - they're both highly specialized and only deliver occasional focused news rather than a continuous spread of general goings-on... but given how many outlets are happy to spam low quality continuous bullshit I consider that a good thing.
This is the culmination of unchecked capitalism having full control of the media. The truth hasn’t mattered for a really long time – only which words are most profitable.
Related question: what do you guys think of the associated press?
American here: their goal is clearly factual reporting, and I don't see too often where they've missed the mark. Nobody's free of bias, but they're pretty good at balancing theirs out.
We have it less and less too here in the EU.
IMO.
We have capitalism that is regulated less and less with every Repub admin, so no, unfortunately.
Drop Site news, 404 media, Pro Publica, Vox is occasionally good.
Short answer is “not much.”
I just had an article removed today from Drop Site news because it had been posted on their Substack. :/
I get most of my news from Reuters (which is UK-based I think). I used to read NPR but I think Reuters has more quality content. Beyond that, the Associated Press I guess, and that's all I really trust.
The Onion too, for when I need to forget how fucked we all are as a species.
Most of our real journalism lives online or is parroted from foreign journalists
Get off your high horse, you guys are just as bad
This is your future if you can't stop the liberals.
Liberals... Those who want liberty
They are a known troll. Just keep that in mind if you continue to engage with them
thanks for the info
Liberty for whom?
The rich, the powerful, the Elect. They want the freedom to own and control anything, even the truth. The """Liberty""" they seek is total privatization of everything, and journalism is part of that.
Politico's bullshit is your liberty. You're free to be lied to by anyone you want!
Hey, remember when you said you'd vote if Biden was replaced? Good times. How's that going?