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Harris delivered a ‘masterclass’ debate. Will it change the race?
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Nope.
Trump fans don't care.
Harris fans saw confirmation.
Disinterested voters didn't watch.
...and a news media that desperately needs a horse race for clicks will continue to hold Harris to a higher standard than the orange Mr. Magoo.
A convicted rapist literally claimed that you’re allowed to murder babies - then we put them side by side and double check if Harris said something that was slightly exaggerated. What’s so weird about it?
Ajnt Ornj: "~~non white~~ 'illegal immigrants' are literally coming to eat your pets and the democrats want to let them"
Media fact checker: "this may not be entirely true, as no evidence has been produced to support the claims, however we found a Twitter post that... "
Harris: "those polling numbers increased by 18%"
Media fact checker: "This is blatantly false. The number actually increased by 17.86%"
Idiots online: BOTH SIDES LIE THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME
Trump was barely coherent throughout, but you'll see the media clean up his word salad as 'Trump vigorously defended his economic policies and the handling of the pandemic.'
Really love how y'all have morphed into claiming the lying fake news media is out to get your candidate.
Clips of this will spread through media and word of mouth, though. People who did watch it can tell their friends stories about it. That's why it's good that she did well. It builds cultural momentum.
It was a highly entertaining debate. Plenty of folks who dislike them both showed up with big bowls of popcorn to root for injuries. And Trump was true to form, just stepping into rake after rake for the full 90 minutes.
I came to count how many times Trump says "millions and millions"
Thing is Trump made his most ridiculous statements highly memeable.
"They're eating the dogs!" is gonna live on like "They're turning the fricken frogs gay!"
That might draw enough of the disinterested crowd to figure out what happened that night.
Yep, had a conversation about it with a coworker who won’t be voting. His stance on roe v Wade (he brought it up) was that both sides have points but he didn’t understand what the decision was about as evidenced by him thinking that the government just shouldn’t have a say in medical decisions.
Your coworker sounds like a dumbass.
He doesn’t see understanding the issues as a civic duty so he mostly just watches tone. This means if you politely and non-partisanly explain your left wing beliefs he thinks they make sense. So yeah, but he feels like exactly the average American
Precisely. Harris is losing ground nationally and is losing ground in battleground states. Unless this debate significantly moves the needle, which I don't think it will for the very elegant reasons you summed, current trend lines indicate Harris losing steam and Trump continuing to pick up voters. No amount of wishful thinking will change that.
I've been tracking polling all year and you can see the past few weeks of progress here:
https://lemmy.world/post/19253997
Harris is losing ground in AZ, GA, PA and MI. If that slide continues with no debate bump it's going to be super hard to pull out a win.
WI moved to toss up. MI is on the verge of moving from Harris to toss up next week. PA and AZ have outright moved to the Trump category.
There's time to reverse it... but man...
Yeah. The surprise nominee change and DNC bumps are ebbing and the debate will likely be a blip at best.
It's like there's an unceasing gravity to Trump's numbers, like being choked by a boa constrictor. I think that's largely a result of his polling numbers being much "harder" than Harris, i.e. the percent of each candidates numbers that will never change their mind for and reason whatsoever and will always and fully support their candidate no matter what is much higher for Trump than Harris.
I'll add that it wouldn't surprise me at all if Swift's endorsement did more for Harris than the debate does. Kooky times we live in.