Kamala Harris was asked her toughest questions on Gaza yet (www.motherjones.com)

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Consensus candidate gives consensus answer on question that can only hurt her with the election weeks away.

That's all there is to it. This is just not something we're going to see her real thoughts on until after the election.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The US is currently aiding and abetting Israel's genocide. If the Democrats switch course, like many Democratic voters want, it would significantly improve Harris' support nationally, especially in swing states. The majority of voters, and a vast majority of Democratic voters, want a change in policy on Israel. Harris pivoting from Biden on this issue would significantly help her, not hurt her, when it comes to voters and voter turnout

Amnesty

In a new research briefing submitted to the U.S. government today as part of the National Security Memorandum on Safeguards and Accountability with Respect to Transferred Defense Articles and Defense Services (NSM-20) process, Amnesty International USA details civilian deaths and injuries with U.S.-made weapons, as well as other cases that highlight an overall pattern of unlawful attacks by Israeli forces. The briefing also details practices by Israeli forces inconsistent with best practices for mitigating civilian harm and provides clear examples of the misuse of defense articles, the commission of torture, and the use of unlawful lethal force. Lastly, the briefing also details the denial of humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of Gaza.

“It’s shocking that the Biden administration continues to hold that the government of Israel is not violating international humanitarian law with U.S.-provided weapons when our research shows otherwise and international law experts disagree,” said Amanda Klasing, National Director for Government Relations with Amnesty International USA. “The International Court of Justice found the risk of genocide in Gaza is plausible and ordered provisional measures. President Biden must end U.S. complicity with the government of Israel’s grave violations of international law and immediately suspend the transfer of weapons to the government of Israel.”

“The evidence is clear and overwhelming: the government of Israel is using U.S.-made weapons in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law, and in a manner that is inconsistent with U.S. law and policy, said Klasing. “In order to follow U.S. laws and policies, the United States must immediately suspend any transfer of arms to the government of Israel.”

https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/u-s-made-weapons-used-by-government-of-israel-in-violation-of-international-law-and-u-s-law/

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[-] forrcaho@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I haven't checked the veracity of reports like this, but I've heard this and it makes me think her vagueness has got to do with $$$, not votes.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, I think you're right. As wrong as that is. Nothing makes my skin crawl like profiting off a genocide

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This took like 2 days to blow up. Wow. At any rate here's some points.

A. Harris isn't the one sending weapons. The VP in the US is largely powerless unless the President gives them something to do. Interestingly there's a possibility her remarks earlier this year were meant to put pressure on Biden. (the ones where she seemed almost to take the Palestinians side) But it could also have been stuff she was sent to say to try and calm tensions.

B. The polling data supports her messaging strategy. At this point she is clearly courting conservatives who don't like Trump. So her messaging strategy of, need a ceasefire/Israel has a right, is meant to not rock the boat.

This is why I call her a consensus candidate. I know that term gets used a lot to tar the democratic nominee the primary selects, but she is literally a consensus candidate. Blue dogs and moderates agreed to back her without a primary. She and her campaign team obviously believe she will lose more votes than she gains if she breaks that messaging line. The polling you supplied supports that younger and more left democrats want to see movement. But it doesn't support that swing state voters won't vote for her. The part that's worst is that in Pennsylvania the line dips precipitously on exactly what they feel they need. This is why the White House has weekly messaging on having a cease fire and why they always blame Hamas for it failing. That's the big thing people want.

For what it's worth I want to see that movement too. I just don't expect anything until after the election unless something big changes again. You'd think an American citizen being killed by a called shot while unarmed would do it but apparently not.

Edit to add, I forgot to add the reason PA is so important is up until a couple weeks ago it was the only state that mattered. Trump was seen as having sewn up enough other states that he only needed PA to win. So that has highly influenced the race. In a nutshell it doesn't matter what the uncommitted movement in the Rust Belt says because without PA they don't even get counted. Now of course the race has opened up but there's no telling if that's because of her strategy or if it was always going to open up.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Harris has not deviated her position compared to Biden's current policy and I absolutely disagree with how you interpreted those polls. I think it's much more about the sentiment of the donors than the voters that are influencing Harris's position on this. I also stand on the notion that trying to court Republican voters by running away from the progressive base of the Democratic voters, is a bad idea politically and morally. That said, I do respect your opinion, Maggoty

I'll edit this with info from the polls if I have time later

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Oh the donors are certainly part of it. I don't want to discount that. It's just hard for me to write long form and get everything in. Her messaging trajectory though has been interesting. She did actually diverge this past spring, very softly. But over the summer as calls for Biden to step down intensified she started toeing the line.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You have to wonder if these folks have their own thoughts about it. Or if their thoughts are entirely about what our thoughts are, and how our thoughts about them will be affected by their thoughts about what our thoughts are.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

If your talking about politicians then they certainly do. But their actions on something are generally colored by more than their own thoughts. Every successful politician masters the art of not giving answers that can only hurt them. One of the ways you can tell something has shifted is when they suddenly become very specific. Like when Biden was trying to drum up support after his debate. We suddenly got some really specific policy proposals.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh, I think we know what those thoughts are going to be.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I don't care to go back and find all the transcripts but the way she's talked about it does make me think she's better than Biden. I don't think she's going to abandon Israel as an ally or anything but I do think she'll force the proper distribution of aid and put a stop to settlers in the West Bank and Gaza. Biden is on track to watch as the Israelis run over all of Palestine in the next few years.

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