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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

Consensus candidate gives consensus answer on question that can only hurt her with the election weeks away.

That's all there is to it. This is just not something we're going to see her real thoughts on until after the election.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

The US is currently aiding and abetting Israel's genocide. If the Democrats switch course, like many Democratic voters want, it would significantly improve Harris' support nationally, especially in swing states. The majority of voters, and a vast majority of Democratic voters, want a change in policy on Israel. Harris pivoting from Biden on this issue would significantly help her, not hurt her, when it comes to voters and voter turnout

Amnesty

In a new research briefing submitted to the U.S. government today as part of the National Security Memorandum on Safeguards and Accountability with Respect to Transferred Defense Articles and Defense Services (NSM-20) process, Amnesty International USA details civilian deaths and injuries with U.S.-made weapons, as well as other cases that highlight an overall pattern of unlawful attacks by Israeli forces. The briefing also details practices by Israeli forces inconsistent with best practices for mitigating civilian harm and provides clear examples of the misuse of defense articles, the commission of torture, and the use of unlawful lethal force. Lastly, the briefing also details the denial of humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of Gaza.

“It’s shocking that the Biden administration continues to hold that the government of Israel is not violating international humanitarian law with U.S.-provided weapons when our research shows otherwise and international law experts disagree,” said Amanda Klasing, National Director for Government Relations with Amnesty International USA. “The International Court of Justice found the risk of genocide in Gaza is plausible and ordered provisional measures. President Biden must end U.S. complicity with the government of Israel’s grave violations of international law and immediately suspend the transfer of weapons to the government of Israel.”

“The evidence is clear and overwhelming: the government of Israel is using U.S.-made weapons in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law, and in a manner that is inconsistent with U.S. law and policy, said Klasing. “In order to follow U.S. laws and policies, the United States must immediately suspend any transfer of arms to the government of Israel.”

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This took like 2 days to blow up. Wow. At any rate here's some points.

A. Harris isn't the one sending weapons. The VP in the US is largely powerless unless the President gives them something to do. Interestingly there's a possibility her remarks earlier this year were meant to put pressure on Biden. (the ones where she seemed almost to take the Palestinians side) But it could also have been stuff she was sent to say to try and calm tensions.

B. The polling data supports her messaging strategy. At this point she is clearly courting conservatives who don't like Trump. So her messaging strategy of, need a ceasefire/Israel has a right, is meant to not rock the boat.

This is why I call her a consensus candidate. I know that term gets used a lot to tar the democratic nominee the primary selects, but she is literally a consensus candidate. Blue dogs and moderates agreed to back her without a primary. She and her campaign team obviously believe she will lose more votes than she gains if she breaks that messaging line. The polling you supplied supports that younger and more left democrats want to see movement. But it doesn't support that swing state voters won't vote for her. The part that's worst is that in Pennsylvania the line dips precipitously on exactly what they feel they need. This is why the White House has weekly messaging on having a cease fire and why they always blame Hamas for it failing. That's the big thing people want.

For what it's worth I want to see that movement too. I just don't expect anything until after the election unless something big changes again. You'd think an American citizen being killed by a called shot while unarmed would do it but apparently not.

Edit to add, I forgot to add the reason PA is so important is up until a couple weeks ago it was the only state that mattered. Trump was seen as having sewn up enough other states that he only needed PA to win. So that has highly influenced the race. In a nutshell it doesn't matter what the uncommitted movement in the Rust Belt says because without PA they don't even get counted. Now of course the race has opened up but there's no telling if that's because of her strategy or if it was always going to open up.

[-] forrcaho@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I haven't checked the veracity of reports like this, but I've heard this and it makes me think her vagueness has got to do with $$$, not votes.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Unfortunately, I think you're right. As wrong as that is. Nothing makes my skin crawl like profiting off a genocide

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

You have to wonder if these folks have their own thoughts about it. Or if their thoughts are entirely about what our thoughts are, and how our thoughts about them will be affected by their thoughts about what our thoughts are.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

If your talking about politicians then they certainly do. But their actions on something are generally colored by more than their own thoughts. Every successful politician masters the art of not giving answers that can only hurt them. One of the ways you can tell something has shifted is when they suddenly become very specific. Like when Biden was trying to drum up support after his debate. We suddenly got some really specific policy proposals.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Oh, I think we know what those thoughts are going to be.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I don't care to go back and find all the transcripts but the way she's talked about it does make me think she's better than Biden. I don't think she's going to abandon Israel as an ally or anything but I do think she'll force the proper distribution of aid and put a stop to settlers in the West Bank and Gaza. Biden is on track to watch as the Israelis run over all of Palestine in the next few years.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 80 points 2 days ago

“You’ve gotten a lot of credit for emphasizing the humanity of Palestinians. But what I often hear from folks is that there is no policy change that either you or President Biden said you would do. Is there a policy change as president that you would do in our helping of Israel in this war?”

“We need to get this deal done,” Harris replied, “and we need to get it done immediately. And that is my position. And that is my policy.”

Daniels followed up. “But in the way that we send weapons and the way we interact as their ally, are there specific policy changes?”

Harris said that she was “entirely supportive” of the Biden administration’s decision to pause a shipment of weapons. She then quickly turned back to a need for a ceasefire agreement.

The line of questioning was the toughest Harris has faced on the issue, which remains a source of deep frustration among some Democratic voters over what they see as the party’s effort to push Gaza into the margins of political discourse. Harris’ answers on Tuesday, which relied heavily on boilerplate campaign points, are unlikely to quell that criticism.

Sorry how are those hard questions? Or just a sign of how little the press asks about it?

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'd like someone to ask them their thoughts on the recent evidence that Israel was selling the weapons we've given them to Russia. So in a way, we're supporting Russia in their invasion of Ukraine at the same time we're supporting a genocide.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

“Toughest yet” doesn’t necessarily mean objectively very tough.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 21 hours ago

For current news, those were hard questions. I think just not accepting what the candidate says as facts and following up with detailed questions equals "hard questions" now.

Look how the news is treating Trumps mental decline compared to when his opponent was Biden.

[-] MashedHobbits@lemy.lol 27 points 2 days ago

Well it's obviously hard for Kamala or else she wouldn't have weaseled around answering the question.

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago

Is Trump getting the same questions?

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Is Trump the sitting vice president of a country facilitating a genocide?

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Somewhat bad faith, VP has almost no real power or influence on these masters. With both as potential POTUS', they should both be held to the same standard by the press.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago

Does it matter? His answer would be a ten minute stream of consciousness rant about immigrants, Dr. Hannibal Lecter, and some “very smart people” anyway.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

while kamala is getting hit on this issue, it’s important for people to keep in mind (or learn if they didn’t know) that Trump has historically been a fanatic supporter of israel and netanyahu. way beyond any other president, D or R.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

the moving of the embassy was pretty much a greenlight for them to openly do genocide.

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[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

It ABSOLUTELY matters that Trump is put on the same playing field and under the same scrutiny as Harris!!!

That's all. It doesn't matter what their respective positions are. It doesn't matter that Trump will give a rambling, incoherent answer and support Israel even if they declare babies as food.

It matters that Trump is held to the same scrutiny as Harris, simple as that.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Would you seriously want to hear the drivel answers?

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