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Yup. Congrats 15 million Democrats and progressives that didn't vote, you just gave us the greenlight for Democrats to never run a imperfect Democratic candidate.
Congrats! You did it!
I’m really getting tired of this narrative. It completely invalidates that +73M people voted for Trump. More than 73 million people thought he was the right choice. It’s less important that Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden and more important that more than 73 million brain dead morons exist in this country and there’s an extremely high chance that at least 25% will procreate and continue our Idiocracy long beyond our lifetimes.
Well too damn bad because it's true. Those 73 million were always going to vote this way, every Democrat knew that, every progressive knew that. They always vote for a Republican even if that guy is a convicted felon and rapist, we all knew that going in and they did exactly that because scorpions are going to scorpion.
Ever Democrat and progressive knew the stakes, they knew what the opposition was going to do and they didn't show the fuck up.
Hell no, these fascist condoning, racist condoning jerks get a lot of blame here as well they should.
Your narrative is incorrect though. You can't just call 1/3 of the country a braindead moron and move on. There are plenty of perfectly intelligent people that voted for trump. Simplifying all of this to 'well they're idiots' doesn't help anyone find a solution.
No, there aren't. The truly intelligent people who support Donald Trump are in the Machiavellian evil camp. They are the herding dogs that use their understanding of the weaknesses of human psychology to manipulate the rest of the stupid, unwashed masses who blindly follow Donald Trump because of their in-group dynamics.
The intelligent epicenter makes up an extremely small margin of hyper-wealthy (and/or) moral Nihilists who's goal is to collapse U.S. hegemony and by-proxy Western society so they can economically enslave the remaining remnants of the human race with discretionary economic power.
So, no, it is not "plenty". It is an incredibly small subset of individuals who actually understand what is going on, and are using it to their direct advantage.
Hey go ahead and keep going with that narrative. It won't help anyone.
The point isn't to help anyone, it's to make the fascist idiots feel bad for being fascist idiots
If they don't like it they can sit and spin
That won't work though... If you're right then nobody will feel bad for anything because they're too dumb to realize.
This approach will never work.
NO APPROACH IS GOING TO WORK.
You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place. If you think you are going to out-logic any of these people into changing their minds you don't actually understand the way fascist ideology grows & becomes entrenched within a population. Your thought process that you can change their minds by treating them as intelligent members of a well-functioning social order is such okie-doke ass pick-me behavior you should be embarrassed you even attempted to float it. That only serves to further reinforce the legitimacy of their ideas in their own minds. Grow the fuck up.
You're not giving any sort of solution. All you're doing is complaining.
The goal needs to be a total social and economic embargo. Completely exclude them from our lives in any way possible. We are now in an existential war for the future of liberal society. Let's hope it stays mostly ideological, but I'm not holding my breath.
That's the entire point. There is no solution. Absolutely nothing to do but arm yourself and watch out for people who deserve to make it through.
And it will have repercussions for decades and decades. Many, even many younger people, will now not see any changes in the overall makeup of SCOTUS in their lifetime.
It's crazy. He was already tied for sixth most SC justices appointed (with seven other presidents). If Alito and Thomas retire and he replaces them, he'll only be behind Washington, FDR, and Taft. His numbers for other judicial appointments were already very high as well.
People really do not appreciate how long we'll be feeling the consequences of this if we survive this term and move on to someone sane.
It's not 15 million, it's a few tens of thousands in a handful of swing states. Millions more Harris voters in New England, New York, and California would have had the same result.
Yes it is. Don't misconstrue the results.
Trump is currently winning the popular vote (73m to 69m). A vast majority of total votes are counted so it won't go up more than another million or so from there.
Trump lost the popular vote in 2020, 81 million to 74 million.
Trump's margin in swing states is currently well over 100,000.
Trump's total vote count basically didn't change at all, but there are currently 12 MILLION people who just didn't show up to vote for democrats. Sure the electoral college was "decided" by a few hundred thousand, but this was a collosal collapse of democrat voter turnout nationwide.
What they're saying is that 12 million more votes in States where Democrats already won wouldn't have changed a thing, it's the Democrats that didn't show up in swing States that are to blame.
It's not that it would have changed anything, it's about the message it sends regarding how voters really felt about the Democrats and the election in general. Sure it may have been "decided" by a few ten thousands in a few swing states but there was a huge nationwide collapse of support.
It would have won the popular vote, which many on Lemmy are far more concerned about than who wins or loses overall.
I think people are pissed that she lost the popular vote because it shows the extent of her loss and how much people didn't care in general, but the truth is she only needed the popular vote in some specific states in order to win and that's much less than the 12m votes people keep talking about.
The election once again crushed popular Democrat talking points. Republicans can win the popular election, good turnout isn't a bad thing for Republicans, and spending more leads to winning.
The general turnout wasn't good though, Trump didn't get as many votes as he did in the past either.
Except the swing states, which almost all had record turnout.
...I think the people who voted for Trump probably played the bigger part though.
not true. trump's 2020 numbers were largely the same as his 2024 numbers.
harris got 14,000,000 less votes than biden did in 2020.
Look at swing state votes. Harris actually did better in some swing states than Trump did in 2020. And Trump beat all of Biden's 2020 swing state totals.
The rest of the votes are from states that don't matter thanks to the electoral college. You can have all the pop vote you like, doesn't matter if you don't win the EC.
So yes true, the Trump voters have everything to do with, you know, electing Trump.
She didn't do better in swing states tho, if that were true Trump wouldn't have won in those swing states.
In the swing states, Harris did just about as well or better than Biden. Trump just got more, even more than Biden in 2020.
Wisconsin
Biden 2020: 1.63 million
Harris 2024: 1.667 million
Trump 2024: 1.697 million
Michigan
Biden 2020: 2.804 million
Harris 2024: 2.72 million
Trump 2024: 2.802 million
Georgia
Biden 2020: 2.473 million
Harris 2024: 2.543 million
Trump 2024: 2.66 million
Pennsylvania
Biden 2020: 3.459 million
Harris 2024: 3.352 million
Trump 2024: 3.491 million
Nevada and Arizona are taking their sweet time finishing counts but the story looks similar. 2024 Trump beats even 2020 Biden. So it's not so much that they didn't turn out for Harris, it's that more turned out for Trump.
I would argue that this data shows that this election result is what the American people want. They either didn't mind it happening and didn't vote against it, or they actively voted for it. Democracy in action. It just kinda really sucks that this is what you guys chose.
I was not trying to refute that Trump is what the American voters chose.
The sad truth is Biden only beat Trump because of covid and there was no pandemic this year. Biden was always a terrible candidate and it took a disease that killed a million Americans to get him elected, didnt he try like four times before this and never make it past a primary? After all that he decided to slow walk through this yeaes primaries despite critisicm, then drop out after they couldn't be ran again. Biden has A LOT of blame for this election.
There you go showing data that refutes popular position. Harris lost because people didn't vote for her, not that people did vote for the orange man.