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Russia has never wanted peace
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I don't understand this meme. Ukraine was more or less a neutral state before 2014 and then there was a pro-Western coup that removed the democratically elected gov and set off the violence that is still going on. That's what drew Russia into the conflict.
Former President Viktor Yanukovych actually denied democracy by choosing not to sign a trade agreement with the EU, which was overwhelmingly approved of in parliament and by the public, in 2013 and he was ousted by Ukrainians. The Russians then became involved by fueling counterprotests and annexing Crimea.
AFAIK there were no US sponsored groups, no boots on the ground, but vaguely some 5Bn USD given to Ukraine for defence between 1991 and 2014.
First there was an EU agreement. But then IMF added conditions to make the agreement impossible. That is what caused it/whole to be rejected. Nazis committing a black flag execution of protesters blaming it on government was the coup that caused Yanukovych to flee. The US installed coup rulers imposing apartheid against Russian speakers, and the Odessa massacre is what caused Crimea to leave, and Donbas to demand autonomy.
Lmfao "caused Crimea to leave" bro seriously has no idea frfr
Odessa massacre? I'm a pinko sympathizer and try to hear out so called "tankies" because they often have a point. but it is just ahistorical to call it a massacre. There is video footage of the pro maidan protesters bringing construction scaffolding to the building to help people escape.
Trying to hear out white supremacists too?
No, in general i take a dim view of supremacist/essentialist ideology. However I've seen entire servers on Lemmy described as tankie, but haven't run into anyone on here getting called a white supremacist. I imagine mods take care of those pretty quick.
What the living NAFO fuckery is this bs?????
That there were survivors means it wasn't a massacre?
Maidan was a CIA/NGO inspired liberal movement that "just wanted additional trade with EU" as an innocent premise, but with usual CIA/NAZI motives. After CIA/Nazis executed protesters and blamed government, and the US coup that handpicked nazi rulers for Ukraine, Maidan was never heard from again. It sure is not a "pinko" source that claims some rescue attempts with scaffolding existed, but most deaths were the result of nazis shooting those trying to get out of windows. So blatantly absurd to deny the massacre based on an undocumented fiction that some assistance attempts were made. Was there no ww2 holocaust if a german helped a jew escape?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html
https://mronline.org/2024/05/06/10-years-of-injustice/
"Euromaidan was a Western coup!" is peak vatnik delusion.
Guess the Nuland-Pyatt call was fake then? US totally wasn't puppeteering 🤡
lmao
The embarrassment of the Nuland-Pyatt call was that our diplomats were speaking quite undiplomatically about our partners and the then-opposition in Ukraine, not that it implied a coup. Euromaidan happened over a desire to integrate with the EU, while our diplomats said "Fuck the EU" in a private call about the players in the ongoing negotiations, preferring the UN. Unless your argument now is that the US was actually in opposition to Euromaidan and EU membership all along, or that the UN is a CIA plot too?
Keep peddling your "Color Revolutions were a CIA plot!" fantasies though.
Good satire, I almost fell for it. 9/10.
What did I get wrong? What do you disagree with?
The past leader of Ukraine was in Putin's pocket. Zelensky actually changed this and obviously being annexed kinda makes it hard to be neutral, so I'm not sure where you got that from.
So was Ukraine neutral before 2014 or not? The meme seems to be saying it was neutral and I'm also saying it was more or less neutral.
Are you disagreeing with the meme?
Huh, that is interesting. Can you tell us any more about his predecessor?
Sure. He tortured people who opposed him in horrific ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/31/ukrainian-protester-kidnapped-tortured-kiev-bulatov
But that's okay, they were probably evil Western imperialists or whatever, am I right?
whoosh
(hint: check who Zelensky's predecessor was)That’s literally about his predecessor.
The link you posted is from January 2014, which is the time period of his predecessor's predecessor's predecessor.
Zelensky's presidency started in 2019. As late as 2018, he was still releasing comedy films which were being banned in Ukraine under his predecessor's anti-Russian cultural laws.
If you want to brush up on recent history, this video Ukraine: The Avoidable War is not bad.
Oh for fuck's sake, this has all been about you being Captain Literal? Yes, I know Poroshenko directly preceded Zelensky. That's not what anyone is talking about here.
Look again at the comment i replied to and quoted in my initial comment which you subsequently replied to. Is there another way to interpret it which I'm missing?
I think I showed you the way to interpret it. You just don't care for the fact that it's Yanukovych.
I was referring to the "Zelensky actually changed this" part of the message I was replying to. What do you think that means, if not that they forgot when he became president?
The only other explanation I can imagine is that maybe they meant to imply that Poroshenko was in Putin's pocket, but that seems unlikely (and is also i assume not what you inferred since you replied with a link from before his presidency).
Holy Russian apologia Batman!
Which details do you the think I got wrong