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I want to live in the timeline where things Bernie sees actually come true.
If it weren’t for Hillary and the DNC being corrupt, Bernie would have destroyed trump in 2016. I know so many people where I was living in middle America that flipped from Bernie to Trump.
I wasn't in middle America, but experienced the same thing. I still don't understand it. Is it just populism? If so, not good. I definitely shed friends in 2016.
It's because Trump advocates for change. Now it's not good change but he's definitely not a fan of the status quo, which gets you votes when the other guy is a Democrat centrist beholden to status quo-loving corporate donors.
I would argue that the change he advocates for is in the direction of the worst parts of status quo. The unbridled capitalistic endeavors of the rich, specifically. Very different than Bernie Sanders.
That's true, but voters who are uneducated or simply don't care about politics will see what he's selling and think he's at least better than the DNC's "why would you want change? Everything is fine" nonsense.
So it really does just boil down to populism for some folks, then? That's hard, thanks for posing it this way.
Populism is efficient, yes. You can see that all around the world.
True.
Populism boosted by new media (internet) vs. lobbyism striving to maintain status quo.
It's populism, but it's a populism of "things definitely aren't good and need to change". Hope worked as a democratic message, the dems were seen as the less corporate party, then the reps ran a right wing populist while the dems ran a former first lady who wasn't acknowledging their needs and fears. The current situation has become one in which the dems see every election in terms of social issues because they don't see the reality: they're the party of "we need adults to govern" and the reps are the party of emotive grievance. The dems can't win the bigot vote by being bigoted enough. But they can win the frustrated vote by running on a platform of reasonable and solid change by those committed to it. But if they di they lose the billiojsires to the fascists.
I never supported the orange (am Canadian so I don’t get a say) but after Bernie lost in 2016, I kind of wanted him to win (not enough to actually vote differently though).
Why? Cause I knew he would get us here faster.
If we are going on the wrong path before we correct course, might as well do it faster.
I want a revolution, I prefer FDR style, but I guess the only option is French style (which I don’t officially support).
Alright but Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders in the Primary Elections, so the "corruption" you're referring to is like 30 Million People.
Orly?
Yeah, vote totals were like 16 Million for Hillary Clinton and 13 Million for Bernie Sanders. Maybe if more people voted in the primaries we would see Bernie at the helm.
Yes, because of the “super” delegates which was like 20 people who can automatically outvote the other hundreds of delegates.
They are talking about popular vote, not how delegates voted. And they voted according to popular vote. Every time.
I don't know what will happen if the people will vote differently than delegates would like to, but so far it never happened
People voted for her, and Biden, because they thought they could win the general, because they were "popular" during the primaries. Not to mention the whole media misrepresented his policies, attitudes, supporters, etc. It's very easy to convince people to vote against their interest with the proper tricks (which Trump as our current President-elect proves).
If you add Hilary votes in the 2016 primaries and Biden in 2020, you will get less than 30 millions. 10% of population, 20% of voters. Not even quarter.
It was real close except for the millions more people who voted for Hillary.
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