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This may come across as a wild idea, but I’d settle for not prosecuting him if he never participates in politics again. Like not even a political tweet.
Nope. Bury him under Leavenworth.
He attempted to end our country.
He stole documents that probably got a ton of assets killed in enemy countries.
He stole documents that had highlighted our capabilities and readiness, as well as our allies.
Bury him under Leavenworth after he dies making little rocks out of big rocks.
I’m with you. I just think the expedient solution may be more definitive.
Your expedient solution is not effective. It relies entirely on a liar keeping their word.
How many promises has trump broken? I’ve lost count. All your “solution” would do is give him time to retconn his image and try again. No. We need to drop the full weight of justice on his orange pasty ass
You know, Hitler went to jail after the Bierhallputsch and got released under an accommodationst release like the one you're advocating...
As long as you're clear with everybody about what you want...
brick him up! Brick him up!!
Letting Nixon quit rather than be empeached and imprisoned is why so many republicans, rightfully, think they're completely above the law.
I'm not going to downvote you for saying something I disagree with like everyone else seems to be doing, but I think that would be a way worse outcome for a variety of reasons.
The most obvious: Trump escapes punishment for his crimes. One if not the central issue here is that no one should be above the law and if we fail to convict and punish a president who commits crimes, we demonstrate that some people are indeed above the law. Holding him criminally accountable is therefore a test of the very integrity of our judicial system.
If we "trade" Trump a clean slate for his promise (or somehow a legally enforceable agreement, although I'm not sure there's any real legal ground for that) to stay out of politics, then we demonstrate that this whole thing really is about politics, not justice, and the Right's view of this whole thing is validated.
Trump is wily enough that he will find a way to continue having an influence over politics even without the ability to tweet or use other social media or public statements. One of the benefits of putting him in prison is that he can't do this anywhere near as easily.
Trump's base will consider his freedom a win and accept any explanation he provides them for why it was a "good deal" for them as well. He can then choose any proxy candidate he cares for and his base will obediently vote for them in Trump's place, creating a puppet president. Again, this is not so easily done if he's in prison.
Voters of all stripes could see this as a sign of weakness in the Biden administration or an indication that the cases against Trump really were flimsier than the media has been reporting. This could potentially affect how people vote or voter turnout in 2024.
Overall, I think it's a no-brainer: we have to prosecute Trump to the best of our ability. Failure to do so proves our judicial system is broken and leaves Trump free to continue to influence politics. The GOP will remain the Trump Party for as long as he is alive and able to speak cogently. No, for the good of our country and our political system, we need to give him what he deserves. We're at a very precarious moment in our history right now, wherein close to half of our country has abandoned reason and empiricism in favor of blind loyalty to a demagogue. In 20 years, our history must reflect that we didn't cave or compromise with this insanity and instead asserted that truth and justice are vitally important to us as a nation. I don't care if it hurts half the nation's feelings. Hopefully, in 20 years, those people's children will grow up to know their parents were sadly deluded by their own prejudices and political biases, and we may yet see the return of a sane conservative populace.
This is not a smart idea, his Qult will just treat that as "big government" censoring their Messiah, and he would never stick to it, he's far too narcissistic for that.
Also he's 77, in poor health, there's so many people who were involved in the election theft attempt and January 6 who are much younger and need to be prosecuted as they are lingering threats to our democracy.
Everything you said makes no sense at all. None of it is any reason this shouldn’t happen.
Would you let a murderer off if they promised to never kill again?
Oh hell no.
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. It's a dangerous precedent to imprison former presidents. There's plenty of reason to imprison Trump but Republicans will seek revenge for the next 40 years.
It's a dangerous precident to ensure public officials can't commit crimes with impunity?
Is that what I said? Hint, no it's not.
They should charge him and try him. I honestly hope DOJ settles with him for an agreement to never hold public office again. While I'd love to see him rot in prison, I worry about what that'll unleash in this country.
Dude can't even STFU after a judge told him to already. It's pure wishful thinking on your part that any agreement made would be held to.