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Missing out the big one here - Spotify is also European fyi.
I told OP this in previous post; Spotify gave money to Trumps' inauguration. That's why it was removed.
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Interesting service! Good if you own a library of music.
"Own"
What are the quotes for? I own the files on my hard drive. I may not have obtained them through traditional means, but I own them.
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We learn and iterate. Thanks for the feedback! We still list Spotify in the database but plan to include quality factors in the (probably not so near) future as well to better differentiate between "European address" and "European commitment".
What the heck is "European commitment"?
Production in EU, Production in Europe, Production outside Europe could be factors for example and is what I referred to as "European commitment" prior. "European address" would be minimum presence in Europe but formally incorporated there.
Thatโs a fair point.
but also platforms right wingers that had an impact on influencing our election. i get i shouldn't be the one guiding boycotts of my own nation's products, i'm just saying spotify has been antihelpful when it comes to the creation of this situation
Yeah I can totally understand that especially in relation to Rogan etc.
I use Spotify Connect quite extensively to put music onto my radio without it being Bluetooth. Does Deezer have an equivalent?
Why don't we include nestle then?
Just because it is European, doesn't mean the company is worth a shit dripping down a wall.
Spotify is a shit company. Pays artists by far the lowest in the industry (especially if you take into account their scummy minimums, catches, and terms for smaller musicians), injects shitty AI songs into Spotify-made playlists so they won't have to pay the artists the little they do, gives "donations" to fascists, and heavily invests in fucking war companies including partnering one who is essentially trying to make "the dark night" tracking machine to pair with AI assassination drones.
(Also side note, have you noticed all of these scummy surveillance companies making their names into very well-known references to pop culture so that all news stories on them are essentially lost to the pop culture void when searching for them? Palantir, helsing, etc...)
Yes, multiple people have pointed this out already and Iโve agreed with them. However I work in the music industry and Spotify is definitely not paying by far the lowest. By sheer volume theyโre paying most of the share a song is earning nowadays and even on a per play basis they are fairly similar to their competitors, maybe slightly lower.
We can make the argument that revenue on a per stream basis is much too low in general and I would agree, but then we also have to rethink the entire pricing model.
OK, true Pandora pays the least, but Spotify is down there.
Spotify pays 0.3ยข per stream.
Tidal pays 1.3ยข per stream, 400% more
Qobuz is around 4ยข per stream, 300% more. Some regions can apparently go down to as little as 1ยข per stream, still much more.
Hell, apple music pays over double what Spotify does at 0.8ยข
Yes it pay around what shitty US companies pay per stream, but the whole point of this point is that it is a bad standard. PLUS, these other services don't have the "shit on small artists" policies like Spotify.
Let's take a small artist that has 10k streams on Spotify and qobuz:
on qobuz they earn more than 100 euros
on Spotify they earn 0 euros
and anything above their minimum, does not earn the total, but the total - the minimum
A small artist that has 20k streams on the same two, and assume the Spotify stream minimum is 10k (IIRC it is a bit higher)
on qobuz, they earn more than 200โฌ
on spotify, they earn about 30โฌ
Plus this isn't even addressing the making of shitty AI music and injecting it in playlists to steal even more revenue from artists.
Spotify was a massive donor to the Trump campaign and pays artists one of the lowest rates per song.