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Jobless, isolated, fed misogynistic porn… where is the love for Britain’s lost boys?
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People need God
Which one?
My current top two are:
The one which kills everyone, obviously! Why half measures?
Last I checked it's humans killing boys in Ukraine and Gaza.
What's the point of all mighty gods if they can't be bothered to stop misery. If they do exist - they're assholes.
Except He will
Any time now. Or in the past 10,000 years would be great
Then we'd all be dead without a chance to repent.
And then God said:
"Lol. Lmao"
So god isn't stopping the genocide because doing so wouldn't let the genociders repent?
Yes. Same way God isn't stopping you from sinning because doing so wouldn't let you repent
But god can force Pharaoh to sin by hardening his heart to Moses's pleas arbitrarily lengthening the Israelites' suffering and robbing a human of his free will in the process.
I don't think the Israelites are sitting in heaven after several thousand years upset over the few extra weeks they spent in captivity. That's besides the point, Pharaoh's heart was hardened by God removing the Holy Spirit, which is needed for repentance. It's still Pharaoh's free will, after he ignored spiritual conviction
So there's a certain amount of spiritual conviction god could give genociders to convince them to stop while it still being considered free will but refuses?
We're the one that refuses it. Pharaoh was clearly refusing it, and blasphemed the Holy Spirit
The refusing in the statement I made is being done by god, not us. I'm asking if god refuses to do the opposite of what he did to Pharaoh to end modern day genocides since you believe it wasn't robbing Pharaoh of his free will and you believe that free will is necessary for repentance.
if no sin occurs, nothing to repent
True, but all have sinned
if all have sinned in a situation where no sin occurs, then you can't say "true"
What do you mean situation where no sin occurs?
I mean a situation where the god that christians worship both CAN prevent people from sinning and DOES actually prevent people from sinning.
A lot of those boys turn to god, only to become even more misogynistic, and now they have the irrationality of religion in their arsenal. No need for logical arguments anymore, just scream "god said so" until you get what you wanted, also they become much harder to convince that their ways are the wrong ones.
What evidence is there that proves God's existence?
What convinced me was the New Testament - Basically, Jesus was a quite well recorded figure, and within a short period of time a narrative appeared about Him claiming to be God, doing miracles and then literally dying and physically rising from the dead. It rapidly started a movement of hundreds of people who were convinced that they saw Him alive, and many were willing to die for that fact if they didn't actually die themselves. There is a lot of archaeological evidence for this early Church, and I have very good reasons to believe that the Gospels of Matthew and John were eyewitness accounts and the likes of Luke and Mark were compiled by eyewitness accounts from that time and location. Basically, the New Testament was written in the first century about a Guy Who's existence and crucifixion is undeniable, written about His teachings, miracles and claims to be God, then His tomb was found empty and they claim they saw Him physically resurrected. It started a movement shortly after with the same narrative that hasn't changed, unlike other legends.
Good videos on it that can explain it better than me:
https://youtu.be/vQKxoBpV2NE
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUDsgjzdyFz8f38YxV3QdX0
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY
The naivety of it all is fascinating.
Nativity*
Fair enough. I don't think I'm convinced of God's existence myself. But I think freedom of belief is important - we should be free to believe or not believe in God, because I don't think anybody knows the answer for certain.
Don't you think the Jesus story would be a terrible way for an omnipotent being to send an important message that's vital for everyone to hear? Just creating a normal human and plonking them in some desert backwater - who looks and sounds just like any other human. The only difference is he hears voices in his head, and can pull off some pretty mediocre magic tricks.
If all it takes is an appealing story to convince you that something with literally no evidence is true and you should devote your life to it, there are many other stories like that, check out the Baghavad Gita for instance. Some really wonderful characters and truly fantastic events - not to mention absolutely mind-blowing magic, all of it completely true (apparently).
No, not really.
Hindus see Jesus as another god, but Jesus claimed to be the only way to the Father, so Hinduism is pretty incompatible with the Jesus narrative
Of course it is lol
If there were a real god that cared about what rituals you perform in this life, then you would expect multiple religions to appear independently all over the world with the exact same rituals. But that has never happened once. Every single religion is totally different from all other religions that are properly independent of it.
Never has divine inspiration revealed the same "truth" in different parts of the world independently. Almost as if it's all just common or garden mental illness.
Christianity is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the world has heard about Jesus, so not necessarily
Alright, stick your head in the ground if it makes you feel special. You're clearly too deeply invested in this to listen to reason. It obviously doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes anyway.
I hate this stupid question so much.
It's the fucking atheist gotcha.
Congratulations, you have contributed nothing to the conversation except for making this idiot rant for a thousand hours.
I've been told that free markets are just as good.
Let's worship a politician instead!
There's far too many people that do that to random idiots already.
Politicians are no better or worse than us. No wait .. they are worse than us.
Yeah. That worked out really well back in the centuries when 'god' was all they had to control people.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
Without religion, there is no definition of evil
I have a dictionary that says otherwise.
Which is?