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Liberals already fundraising with Carney (sh.itjust.works)
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The Liberal mailing list sent this an hour or two ago. "From" Mark Carney:

I am deeply honoured to be our next Liberal leader – and I’m ready to get to work.

...

We’re going to build the fastest-growing economy in the G7.

We’ll cut taxes that divide us and put money back into your pockets.

We’ll invest in health care, seniors, and affordable child care.

We’ll take bold action on climate, and we’ll protect Canadian workers from Trump’s tariffs.

I really hope that ol affordability crisis just slipped his mind. Tax cuts are fine (even if it's coded language for dropping the carbon tax), but groceries are still crazy expensive and housing is still hard to come by.

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[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Reminder of the Liberal's record on proportional representation: "Liberals never wanted to “make every vote count.”… Electoral reform has become a bonbon offered at election. As far back as 1919, Liberals have campaigned on the promise of proportional representation"

Mark Carney's position on electoral reform: "open". However...

  1. He’s an economist, and the mathematics pairs quite nicely with the mathematics of electoral systems.
  2. His public persona is that he is intelligent. But when asked specifically about electoral reform and proportional representation, he says he’s uncertain and open to exploring options? Why would someone as smart as him be uncertain about ensuring every vote counts?
[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But when asked specifically about electoral reform and proportional representation, he says he’s uncertain and open to exploring options? Why would someone as smart as him be uncertain about ensuring every vote counts?

He's trying to play both sides: if he says no, then he alienates NDP and other non-Libs; if he says yes, then he alienates those who like the current system or are afraid of change.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

You're bang on! Instead of playing both sides, how about we just play the side of democracy: !fairvote@lemmy.ca

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

With all due respect, election reform is at the bottom of the list of my priorities as a voter.

I would have liked changed, but no two official parties agree on what the solution is. Trudeau tried it and that’s why he didn’t do it.

Doing this again and making it a big issue is just going to go exactly the same.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think that was why - the special committee report recommended a referendum and switching to Proportional Representation.

Two parties stand to lose the most from that - Liberal and Conservative. NDP, Green, and fringe parties like PPC stand to gain the most, as do the people of Canada, IMO. Trudeau didn't want it to go to a referendum, because the liberals would lose significant power, and likely never again become a majority party, as there is a not-insignificant portion of people who vote Liberal as an anything-but-conservative approach.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, my understanding may have been wrong then

I will do more homework on this

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Let me know if there's more nuance I missed! It's been a while since I looked into it.

[–] tleb@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Disagree on your assessment of why PR failed, but I agree with it being the bottom of my priorities right now. Back in 2013 I voted Liberal for the first time (normally an NDP voter) purely for electoral reform - it's incredibly important for the long term health of our democracy. However, we're in an economic crisis, and I really think we need to survive the next few years before we can worry about long term health, and I think Carney is the right guy for that. I will be happy to see him replaced with someone more progressive down the road.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

But with proportional representation, you'd be able to vote in a government that is able to address your priorities effectively...

In a democracy, the ultimate power should be vested in its citizens. I'm not making it a big issue, it is inherently a big issue.

[–] Macandcheese@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

Proportional representation is at the top of my priorities but I believe most people are just too stupid to understand why it matters so much