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Oh for sure, punishment is historically a super effective solution after all.
Huh? Recidivism? What’s that?
If SBF would reoffend I'd gladly pay the taxes to give him another twenty years of sandwiches. I don't care about healing this man.
Good for you, but I’d rather my money not be wasted on petty spite and draconian bullshit. I’d rather it actually go towards something useful, like rehabilitating people so they can be better and contribute to society.
He stole 8 billion dollars from ordinary people. Maybe when he's rehabilitated you can let him manage your money.
You realize what rehabilitation means, right?
No one is obligated to or wants to rehabilitate him or people like him. We respect their agency to make their own choices, and in return they accept the deleterious consequences if they choose to do horrific shit. Like this fuck you're using to push your agenda.
Lmao who are you speaking for? No one wants to rehabilitate people because you say so? Who is this “we”?
And christ, man, accusing me of pushing an agenda? How cliche can you get? This is literally just my opinion - me voicing it isn’t “pushing my agenda”.
My guy, we need only read the thread to see that all of you brigading and concern trolling are in the minority. It's a fact. Specifically in this case because Sam Bankman-Fried is the perfect example of the two-tiered legal system we have in the U.S., a different set of rules and consequences based on wealth. The only reason he's even in jail suffering the way he should be is because he started stealing from other rich people.
Oh, excuse you?
You literally are out here parroting one-liners you memorized from shitty revenge movies and you're going to accuse me of pandering to cliches? Get the fuck out of here.
You're in here pushing evil, anti-justice apologetics to once again deny the American people the justice they deserve after so long and it's obvious. You don't care about what's right or what's good for Americans or what's good for morality or the world, you only care about what makes you personally feel better. And I won't fucking let you get what you want.
One might consider the fact that until this very moment, my comments were consistently the most upvoted of the two of us. And that somehow on a two day old post all of your comments got upvoted three times, while mine were all downvoted three times. But hey, I'll just assume that that's a coincidence.
Either way, what matters is that most of the top comments are advocating for getting this guy a proper vegan selection. So clearly it's not so simply "a fact".
Also, did you seriously pull a comment from a discussion I was having with an entirely different person? Did you stalk my account for that? That's bizarre, but what's even more bizarre is that you think the quote "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" comes from a revenge movie lmao.
It's literally just empathy - calling it "evil" sounds like projection to me. Especially when you're the one advocating for further harm, and trying to justify it with mob mentality.
Again, just projection. The only reason to punish people further is to make the rest of us feel better. Someone "getting what they deserve" is cathartic for the masses, and for no other reason than pure spite. It accomplishes nothing. What I believe doesn't make me feel better - how would it? It's far harder to be empathetic towards bad people than it is to simply view them as less than human and move on.
Imagine calling apologizing for, defending and using as a political tool to demand no one be punished for anything, denying humanity justice, empathy.
You absolutely are disgusting and vile. Get away from me.
Are you 12?
Hell yeah
Well, I'd rather my tax money not be wasted denying people justice just to satisfy authoritarian twits like yourself, but who am I to disagree with you? I'm just a lowly meat-eater while all he did was steal billions from innocent people, taking away their retirements, and we all know we lowly meat-eaters don't mean as much as the fluffy squirrels and singing birds you think are your friends.
So you agree that the is is solely about people wanting blood, solely out of spite, and doesn’t actually serve any tangible purpose? Glad we’ve got that figured out.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, my friend.
Holy shit, did you dig that strawman from the set of a bad 90's action movie or are you just happy to see me?
Did you know that doing what's right has its own intrinsic value and needs to be done for its own sake, and that not everything has to have a tangible, materialistic value? And that our inner, intrinsic, immaterial needs are just as valid as, if not more important in many ways, than our material ones?
By your logic, we shouldn't have space programs either, because those are largely about national prestige and dick-waving competitions at the U.N.
By your logic, we shouldn't have art either, because art doesn't have any real tangible value or purpose aside from what people assign to it. It literally only exists to make people feel better, yet here you are, arguing that anything with an immaterial purpose is therefore invalid.
Should we have no history either? History doesn't put food on our plates or pays our rent either, and when pressed, history buffs can give only nebulous, vague allusions to intrinsic, immaterial value their field provides, too, yet here you are.
So you agree that you're just concern trolling, hoping that by stereotyping anyone who demands justice as some 90's revenge movie stereotype that you can smear and discredit them, so you can do away with the notion of justice?
So you agree that you oppose justice?
No one even said anything about an eye for an eye. Denying someone vegan meals in prison isn't ripping their eyes out. Neither would imprisoning that fat fuck for life either. Even killing him wouldn't be that.
You may be opposed to the idea and the cause of justice, but the rest of the world is not, and you need to seriously sit down with yourself and seriously reflect on what it is you're doing and what you hope to accomplish here, because what you're doing is wrong.
Something being "right" is entirely subjective, and personally I don't think that punishing people without purpose fits that definition.
My logic is that if an action needlessly hurts another, it shouldn't be done. Not sure how art hurts others. The same goes for your space example. And your history example.
Also, you realize that what you did just then was a strawman... right? Because I never made the argument that nothing is worth doing without having some tangible result. I argued that we shouldn't hurt people for no other reason than spite.
Wtf is concern trolling? Lmao just another weird label to dismiss opinions that differ from your own? Gotcha.
...you know that "an eye for an eye" doesn't mean literally just eyes, right? It means that revenge leads to nothing but further suffering.
Are you sure about that? Because the rest of the modern world doesn't have capital punishment. It's literally only us and some 3rd world countries. Clearly people are moving away from barbarism and draconian, ineffective punishments.
Yet here you are, pushing and needling and imposing your will upon others, demanding other people give up core values that make humanity what it is because you don't want to accept that what you're advocating for is wrong and harmful.
No, your logic consists of a long list of thought-terminating cliches you watched in movies or played in video games. You don't think. You haven't thought about what you're truly asking for and you haven't considered at all how it will harm other people because you simply don't care about all that. You only care about yourself. And your snakes.
You know why the suicide rate for rape victims is so high, for example? Because of evil monsters like you who protect their rapists from justice with the same tactics.
Actually, you are, because justice, like art and history and love, is a thing whose benefit is moral and intangible, and here you are demanding its repeal without one single fuck given for the consequences of it. It is the moral backbone that makes all social relations possible. Without it, you have no humanity. Yet here you are, demanding we give up our humanity because you saw a documentary about Sweden once, played The Last Of Us 2 and decided that was all you needed to know.
Here's some more blatant strawmanning from you. It's awfully telling you equate capital punishment with justice in a thread specifically about a man in jail and not being executed.
But what little can we expect from someone who doesn't even respect his fellow man enough to respect the value and necessity of justice?
Nope, this is just my opinion. Pretty sure I made that clear earlier. If you feel that your core values are at risk just by talking to me, maybe that says more about you than anything. Maybe your core values aren’t as set in stone as you thought they were.
Nope, my logic consists of what I said it did. That’s my core belief, and everything I’ve said in this conversation stems from it. Also not sure what your obsession is with movies, and how they somehow dictate my beliefs? Seems a bit random tbh.
This would actually be your ideology at fault, no? After all, America’s justice system better fits your ideals than mine. So any faults it has, like suicide rates and the number of rape victims, would be on you not me.
Now, if a country that fit my beliefs had these massive issues you’d have a point. But unfortunately for you, these issues stem from your own.
This is the most melodramatic thing I’ve ever heard. Tbh this whole part of your comment is pretty crazy, I’m honestly starting to wonder if I’m just being trolled.
With your version of justice, not my own. Capital punishment, just like what’s happening here, is needless punishment for the sole purpose of cathartic spite.
My point is that the rest of the world is moving on from this draconian mindset. There’s a reason most make fun of America’s prison systems, as most of the world prioritizes rehabilitation while we focus on needless punishment. You don’t have to agree with that, but clearly the modern world in large part does.
Also it’s not strawmanning you goof, I’m not saying that capital punishment was your whole argument.
Rich coming from the guy who wants to needlessly punish his “fellow man” for no other reason than you seem to enjoy it. Does the idea of someone getting justice make you feel good?
I’d rather all people get the help they need. I’d argue that that’s a much better example of respect than whatever you’ve conjured up.
Edit: Also I’ve never seen a documentary about Sweden or played TLOU2 lol, weird assumptions.