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I'm gonna be killed for this, but is the number of successes the same for F2M as it is for M2F? I'm genuinely curious.
I'll gladly delete this if it's terrible.
I don't really follow sports all that closely, but it looks like there probably is?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/athletes-assigned-female-transitioned-mens-sports/
Though honestly I can't think of all that many mtf athletes either, it's not like trans women are overrepresented in sports. Plus ftm athletes don't support the narrative transphobes want to push around "men invading women's spaces/sports" they tend to get forgotten in general, but especially in sports. There will be a lot of survivorship bias in how people perceive the success of trans athletes, any trans woman who does well will be seen as "unfair", but any who are completely average at the sport won't be noticed (or will be reported on misleadingly, like when Glenique Frank got 6,159th in the London Marathon and it was reported everywhere as "trans runner beats 14,000 women"). And like I said trans men already get ignored, so their inclusion in sports is definitely not being spoken about to anywhere near the same level. All of that combines to make trans women seem overrepresented in high level sports and trans men basically nonexistent but that's not really accurate.
No clue, nor am I inclined to use time to find out.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Success at sports is not only dedication, it's also luck in the genetic lottery, regardless of the sport.
I believe I'm an outlier in this thought, I think that segregation between male and female sports make no sense.
Well if you don't do the segregation you will find that in some sports almost no afab people will ever reach the top.
Some sports are of course worse than others in this regard.
And even if there is no physical barrier, historically male dominated sports struggle to find female athletes/players. See for example chess.
How would you solve this?
It's not something that needs to be solved. It's sports. Tax sports income at 90% above 1M a year and watch it stabilise.
What has this to do with income? It's also amateur leagues that would be affected.
Less concern about winning, more concern about being inclusive and having fun? Sign me up for that shit.
Well for many winning and trying their hardest to win is the fun in sport :/
So go do that then. Complaining about the quality of your opponent is not good sportsmanship. Just try your best and see who wins.
Where do I complain "the quality" of my opponent? I am trying to understand their viewpoint with regard to non-segregated sports.
I've spoken to some athletes about this before -- women and men -- and I found the opinion that sports should be gender-segregated and that the decision of where trans-athletes should be able to participate in should depend on the specific sport in question.
In my mind good sportsmanship includes fairness and I want to figure out what is "fair" in this situation. Many reasonable people disagree in that regard I think.
I don't think there has ever been a high-level successful F2M trans athlete. At least not in any pro league I'm familiar with or the Olympics. I do think F2M (and women in general) should be welcome to compete in "mens" leagues (which are actually gender neutral it's just very hard for women to qualify).