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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.

Neoliberals don't change the system, they ARE the system. You're not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d'être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being "not-republican" candidates.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Nope.

Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures

Pubs don't give a shit

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

That first part is kinda what I'm saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they're supposed to represent want.

Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.

It's like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Well this is the bitch: you can't play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.

Don't play chess with pigeons

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's a false dichotomy.

You're assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today's circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.

I'm not advocating for Dems to do either. I'm advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it's necessary and justified.

Following rules for their own sake even when it's clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Not assuming a falsity at all - the rules in question are due process

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So THAT'S where you want the goal posts now?

Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.

That obviously wasn't what I was talking about, though.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, should have been clearer: due LEGISLATIVE process

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

What does that even mean, though?

Do you consider scrapping a long overdue minimum wage increase because an unelected bureaucrat with a strictly advisory role says it can't be in a budget bill "due process"?

Because I consider that a gross miscarriage of justice for the people working two or three jobs and still failing to make ends meet because profiteering employers are still allowed to exploit them horribly.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 17 hours ago

So how it usually plays out is that destroying is usually much easier than building.

So if the oligarchs destroy the rules, you will not win by trying to rebuild them. You will only get back to some sense of normal by shooting back and making them understand why the rules were there. And I don't mean threats.

The moment the office of the president was given complete immunity from everything, Biden should have had Musk shot. More realistically, Dems should have fought judicial appointments the same way as Reps did, and actually appointed activist judges instead of trying and failing to appoing Merrick fucking Garland.

The eleventh hour of the "system" was prosecuting Trump. That system does not exist anymore, there is nothing to defend at this point.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 hours ago

And that attitude is how we got here:

https://www.project2025.observer/

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago

Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures

Tell that to Nancy's stock portfolio.... Or is that "legal"?

Either way they're 2 rich 2 resist.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 0 points 14 hours ago

They've got dozens of excuses for failure, that's just one of them.