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[–] 474D@lemmy.world 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The Thanos poster has been "alpha-male"-ified and the joker is a cringe incel reference. The fact you don't know is a good thing.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

How is joker an incel reference? O.o

[–] CreativeShotgun@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

He's one of those pseudo icons or idols of weird guys who think being edgy or "deranged" is cool.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly I am somewhat confused too. I think the joker movie joker is kinda incel ref because he is kinda an incel and kinda hates women (I don't remember the movie too well)

That seems to be the dark knight joker tho. So idk.

And honestly dark knight joker is amazing. Like I like the movie because the joker is a great villain in this movie.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think even calling Phoenix's Joker incel is bit of a stretch. I've also only seen it long ago in theater, but I recall there was only a small part his imagined romance but it was only small contributor or result of his mental issues, and his hate was more so on the people abusing him, didn't really strike me as a woman hating incel in any way

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

I am not arguing that he is and I don't think the people calling it a incel ref are saying that he is. I think they are saying that he is weirdly deli about a woman and is popular with a lot of incels because he is relatable for them. (Hating society is a way and kinda delulu about women)

Also I want to repeat, I might misremember stuff.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

This is correct but if you check the media coverage (even before the movie came out) there was def this narrative being pushed. I think it's because libs were uncomfortable with how the movie portrayed class struggle so they latched onto this aspect

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think the joker hated women at all in Joker. As far as I remember his attitude to both genders is the same.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe I misremember but he was kinda delulu about a woman, no?

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He was delusional about many things. It was an entire character trait. He fantasized about telling good jokes, too.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, but again. I think the people that see joker was a incel ref, aren't necessarily saying that joker is an incel, but rather that incels like joker.

I didn't enjoy the joker movie, I don't intend to argue about the movie but to provide my understanding of the why.

And my joker is Heath ledger, anyway.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yea, the Heath Ledger joker is better, though that's a damn high bar. I just wish the sequel would've properly developed the new Joker, because they could've made it glaringly obvious how idolizing or immitating him in any way is a bad, dumb idea. Instead they made the lamest movie of 2024.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you typing delulu because you can't spell delusional? Or is this a new cool trendy thing I'm too old to know about?

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, I'm often too old to know the cool new thing.

I appreciate it and look forward to using it in the future.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

How is the joker an incel reference? Great movie

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Incels scorn society and the world for making them ugly, no powerful jawline, no American Pie sex adventures in high school, and no nice suits to wear to their minimum wage jobs. To incels, they are the forgotten scum of the earth.

Well, The Joker is a film about an abused, poor, and lonely comedian getting his face kicked in by teenagers about a month before rising up, killing a late night tv host, and vengefully breaking Society down into chaos and misery.

So, they just think The Joker makes them look cool. That's really it. Every time they think about shooting up an elementary school, they also think about Arthur Fleck gunning down Murray Franklin.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

The truth being somewhere in-between.

Full npc vs full crash out antihero

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The movie itself isn't a problem, But the kind of person that fancies the joker and Thanos *as role models are. It's one thing to appreciate the dark side it's another to idolize it.

The movies aren't the problem.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I'm not really into comics that are only funny to people who are terminally online.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

has been "alpha-male"-ified

How so? The crown and gown?

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

The text behind him in the poster.

The crown and gown just make him look like Biggie.